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#181 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 16 May 2022 - 05:55 PM

Elon Musk sends poop emoji to Twitter CEO in response to thread on spam, fake accounts

Twitter has estimated that spam, fake accounts make up less than 5% of the social media platform's users


https://www.foxbusin...m-fake-accounts

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#182 Mike K.

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Posted 16 May 2022 - 06:08 PM

Oh I’d be inclined to think it’s closer to 15%. There are fake accounts on Twitter full stop.

The dead giveaway is zero followers, and/or account created within the last month. Victoria has a ton of these accounts that circle you on Twitter if you say the wrong thing about certain politicians or policies.

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#183 tommy

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Posted 16 May 2022 - 06:29 PM

A recent study shows

has exactly one fake acquirer.



#184 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 16 May 2022 - 06:33 PM

Oh I’d be inclined to think it’s closer to 15%. There are fake accounts on Twitter full stop.

The dead giveaway is zero followers, and/or account created within the last month. Victoria has a ton of these accounts that circle you on Twitter if you say the wrong thing about certain politicians or policies.


It’s all so odd. Accounts with no followers have zero reach. To spread any info. But whatever, it should not be hard to shut down fake accounts.

#185 Mike K.

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 06:06 AM

There we go, Musk says it could be “much higher” than around 20% that’s being floated around, not the 5% Twitter claims.

It’s being allowed to happen.

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#186 Mike K.

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 06:21 AM

^^I guess it’s more about the comments at that point. Commenting on high profile posts has its benefits, I’m sure.

It’s just so dang easy to stop, though. I know all the boomers think there are Russian spies everywhere but it’s so easy to curtail that stuff. If we can do it on this forum, certainly Twitter can do it.

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#187 dasmo

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 06:37 AM

It’s also about buying followers. You get more subs if you appear popular…

#188 dasmo

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 06:55 AM

https://www.fiverr.c...itter-followers

#189 Mike K.

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 06:57 AM

“Proven method since 2010,” lol.

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#190 Mike K.

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 06:59 AM

I mean it’s so easy for Twitter to figure out these fake accounts. If you have a 1,000 followers, but because they’re all fake with zero reach, and you therefore have zero reach, you’re followed by fake accounts. It’s that simple.

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#191 lanforod

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 07:28 AM

So easy on this forum... this forum isn't a valuable target.



#192 Mike K.

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 07:33 AM

Techies like to make excuses.

If these guys can design algorithms to target users in ways we couldn’t imagine a decade ago, they can develop algorithms to stop spam accounts. It’s very easy.

As I’ve said all along, and now it’s been outed by Musk, these platforms ‘want’ the spam accounts and bots. They create content and generate interaction. Twitter even lies about how much content is spam, just to make its books look better.

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#193 lanforod

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 07:40 AM

The reason techies continue to have jobs, particularly information security is because those algorithms and methods change and evolve. It's a whack-a-mole game man. It's not easy.

 

The platforms want 'some' of the bots. Not all of them. They don't want the mis-information ones so much. They want the ones that push revenue.


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#194 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 07:44 AM

Can't they just use the 2-step log-in like almost every commerce website uses?


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#195 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 07:47 AM

The platforms want 'some' of the bots. Not all of them. They don't want the mis-information ones so much. They want the ones that push revenue.

 

That's likely true.  It's too bad many advertisers just pay for views or clicks when they should be paying for conversions/sales.  Or at least valuing that metric more.   That does not work or it's not easy for many advertisers I suppose.  It's hard to tie a McDonalds burger purchase this afternoon to a tweet I saw yesterday.


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#196 lanforod

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 07:53 AM

Can't they just use the 2-step log-in like almost every commerce website uses?

 

Helps prevent unauthorized access. How does it help prevent bot accounts getting setup?  Phone numbers, authenticator apps can be spoofed/faked/automated as well.



#197 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 08:02 AM

Helps prevent unauthorized access. How does it help prevent bot accounts getting setup?  Phone numbers, authenticator apps can be spoofed/faked/automated as well.

 

My understanding is that the service (in this case, twitter) pays the phone companies for a continuously updated database of real, legitimate cellphone numbers.  So twitter should make you use a cell # tied to your account and occasionally verify it with you.  That should prevent new bots from signing up, unless they can afford to have a real cell # for every bot account.



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Posted 17 May 2022 - 08:33 AM

There we go, Musk says it could be “much higher” than around 20% that’s being floated around, not the 5% Twitter claims.

It’s being allowed to happen.


Distraction. Tech stocks are diving, Musk doesn’t want to pay what he offered. This is all a show to get a better price.

#199 Mike K.

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 11:16 AM

My understanding is that the service (in this case, twitter) pays the phone companies for a continuously updated database of real, legitimate cellphone numbers.  So twitter should make you use a cell # tied to your account and occasionally verify it with you.  That should prevent new bots from signing up, unless they can afford to have a real cell # for every bot account.

 

It's absurdly simple to do. But these companies rely on subscriber numbers. Announcing 25 million accounts were closed because they were fake would undermine trust in any platform, plummet its stock price, and make a mockery of the so-called efforts to stop so-called Russian bots.

 

The bottom line is they have no financial incentive to curb this in any meaningful way.


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#200 Mike K.

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Posted 17 May 2022 - 11:25 AM

The reason techies continue to have jobs, particularly information security is because those algorithms and methods change and evolve. It's a whack-a-mole game man. It's not easy.

 

The platforms want 'some' of the bots. Not all of them. They don't want the mis-information ones so much. They want the ones that push revenue.

 

Chicken and egg.

 

The techies design bad software with loopholes and backdoors. Then the techies design bad software to plug said loopholes and backdoors. Rinse and repeat. User authentication is super easy, but it's not being used because it would expose the scam.

 

Anti-virus software got its start because virus makers realized there's a business opportunity.


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