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#41 Midnightly

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Posted 27 April 2021 - 10:35 PM

well why don't we watch a tedtalk, then discuss?  that seems real reasonable to me.  rather than my junior highschool teacher standing in front of us and talking about a subject he does not really know so much about.

 

especially about topics like technology and economics - that she might not have studied closely in decades.

 

it's a little hard for your science teacher to throw a cow's eye at you through a ted talk video... or call you out when your not paying attention from a video (i used to have a teacher that would pace the classroom and randomly stare at people just to make sure they were listening)



#42 Matt R.

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Posted 27 April 2021 - 10:38 PM

The field trips are great.

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#43 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 April 2021 - 02:12 AM

Why would you send your kids to a French only school?

Intending for them to become politicians?

Certainly no business or economic reason.


many parents prefer French schools or French immersion because those schools do not have any special needs students in the classroom.

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Posted 28 April 2021 - 05:14 AM

I got a huge kick out of parents choosing whether or not to apply for French immersion when my kid first went to school. It was very secretive who applied, who didn't, and why. I believe the main reason is what VW said above. It's basically pseudo private school because of the good ratios of teachers to kids, and the lack of special needs kids. Most parents would never admit it though.  It was a big reason why I DIDN'T want to apply. I didn't want to be hanging around at the hot dog sale with a bunch of opportunistic wanna be private school parents.


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#45 Mike K.

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Posted 28 April 2021 - 05:17 AM

That’s a big part of it for French immersion, and SD61 knows what the gig is about.

Public education today is not what we grew up with in the 80s and 90s.

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#46 Matt R.

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Posted 28 April 2021 - 04:37 PM

French Immersion has been a wonderful experience for us, highly recommend. :)

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Posted 28 April 2021 - 07:39 PM

My understanding that French only was different than French immersion, but I have no direct knowledge of that.

 

My kids went to private school and learned Spanish and Cantonese, which seemed a lot more useful than French.


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Posted 28 April 2021 - 09:26 PM

well why don't we watch a tedtalk, then discuss?  that seems real reasonable to me.  rather than my junior highschool teacher standing in front of us and talking about a subject he does not really know so much about.

 

especially about topics like technology and economics - that she might not have studied closely in decades.

 

Some teachers do this already. It's not a fundamental change in schooling like you're asking for, unless you're saying we should have kids do that for 5 hours a day, 5 days a week for 13 years? 

 

Your original statement was why do we still do school like we do in the 60s. I maintain we don't. It's changed a lot. Sure, some elements are the same, such as we still have classes, still have one teacher, still have a grade structure of K to 12.

Grading, testing and teach methods have changed a lot. Material of course has changed in nearly every subject (arguably, not always for the better, e.g. 'new' math).

 

So what are you referring to? You want kids to just have more screen time? 

 

Mike's how-to video sidebar is pointless too. First off, you may learn some from those videos, but you know full well you learn far more from doing (or attempting to) what the video is about. I watch a few videos on repairing my dryer. Great, gives me the info to get started, but I really learn when I actually do it. Plus, would Mike have been able to follow those videos if not for school teaching stuff like distance and measuring, following steps, critical thinking, solving puzzles...



#49 Midnightly

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Posted 28 April 2021 - 10:04 PM

My understanding that French only was different than French immersion, but I have no direct knowledge of that.

 

My kids went to private school and learned Spanish and Cantonese, which seemed a lot more useful than French.

 

that is my understanding also.. the french only schools are designed for those who speak french at home on a daily basis, and primary language spoken is french.. at kindergarten your expected to come in already knowing french.. where french immersion a child starts maybe having a basic idea of french or little french and the classes start out learning french alongside English slowly transitioning the class language to french being the main language within the class for all lessons..



#50 Mike K.

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 05:39 AM

Mike's how-to video sidebar is pointless too. First off, you may learn some from those videos, but you know full well you learn far more from doing (or attempting to) what the video is about. I watch a few videos on repairing my dryer. Great, gives me the info to get started, but I really learn when I actually do it. Plus, would Mike have been able to follow those videos if not for school teaching stuff like distance and measuring, following steps, critical thinking, solving puzzles...


For sure, you learn, and then do.

There’s not a lot of critical thinking going on even in university. The system is setup the way it is because people are gullible through their 20s into their early 30s, and why marketers focus something wonky like 75% or 80% of marketing efforts on the 14-30 year-old demographic.

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#51 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 05:45 AM

So what are you referring to? You want kids to just have more screen time? 

 

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how about a parallel public or private system where if a gifted high school child wants to "learn ahead" they can take online modules then be tested at school or at a private facility to earn extra points towards university credits or at least accreditation or acceptance?

 

similarly how about extra learning modules supplied by the school district or province where students having difficulty with one topic or subject can go for extra online study?  and perhaps these topics or subjects can also have different online learning styles than those presented in the classroom.  i think we've all had teachers we can't understand, or we are afraid to ask questions of, or present in a style that does not resonate.  then we go onto another teacher in the very same subject and the learning is somehow presented in a way or style that allows us to understand better with that teacher, for whatever reason.


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Posted 29 April 2021 - 06:21 AM

Do honor/ AP tracks not exist? What’s wrong with that?

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 06:35 AM

Do honor/ AP tracks not exist? What’s wrong with that?

some jurisdictions are phasing them out as they are deemed elitist by many progressives.

https://www.nbcnews....chools-n1243147

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#54 Szeven

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 06:48 AM

Parkland has started to offer the IB (International Baccalaureate) program.

 

http://www.parklandib.ca/

 

The IB Diploma Program prepares students for participation in a rapidly evolving and increasingly global society as they develop intellectually, emotionally, physically and ethically while acquiring skills that will prepare them for further education and life in the 21st century. Universities across Canada and around the world regard the IB program as excellent preparation for university entrance.


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#55 Mike K.

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 07:18 AM

It all comes down to the kid and who they associate with. You can IB them all you want but it’s 90% self-determination and aspiration that gets you through school, not programming.

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 07:22 AM

It all comes down to the kid and who they associate with. You can IB them all you want but it’s 90% self-determination and aspiration that gets you through school, not programming.

90% parents, 5% kid, 5% teacher IMO. that self-determiniation/aspiration is all parent driven. Kids see successful parent(s), who push them, make sure they do their work, teach them in many other ways at home... that's invaluable. 

 

IMHO anyways! I do my best with my kids but I'm not perfect. Still very proud of them  :)


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#57 Mike K.

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 07:38 AM

Way to give yourself credit, dad!

It all comes down to friends. If they roll with the wrong crowd that will have a profound impact on them. Mom and dad are powerless once high school rolls around unless the kid fears them.

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#58 Matt R.

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 10:28 AM

Do honor/ AP tracks not exist? What’s wrong with that?


They do. Some schools operate the IB program, and sd61 still runs the Challenge program for gifted students, the top 10 percentile of the district. Used to spend one afternoon, or more, a week at Frank Hobbs, then stream to Cedar Hill and then Esquimalt. Fat lot of good it did me, haha.

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#59 Matt R.

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 10:30 AM

90% parents, 5% kid, 5% teacher IMO. that self-determiniation/aspiration is all parent driven. Kids see successful parent(s), who push them, make sure they do their work, teach them in many other ways at home... that's invaluable. 
 
IMHO anyways! I do my best with my kids but I'm not perfect. Still very proud of them  :)


This was the big plus for us as French immersion parents as well. The whole cohort is generally more involved and active, and by the time you reach middle and high school it really starts to pay off.

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 10:52 AM

I was told FI kids are taught math in a different way and when they hit regular high school some are a bit bewildered. 


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“I mean I just don’t understand the big Texas part, like maybe he’s from Texas? I want to know the back story.”


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