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[Wayne]

It remains to be seen whether this goes anywhere at all. History is full of new (or rebooted old) parties that go nowhere.

 

But if the Bernier party runs candidates in 338 ridings it is bound to hand a few ridings to the Liberals. Last time we had a significant split on the right Chretien won three successive majorities.

 

Hope your right, 2 more liberal majorities would not be good.

 

The way Bernier departed is not a class act, so maybe not a large following.

 

Look at the Bernie Sanders party leadership defeat.  Some numbers suggest that 10% turned and voted Trump. 10-15% simply did not vote.  That's 25% of that parties votes gone. Hope it does not happen here.

[LJ]

I don't see Bernier doing anything, he has unified the rest of the party who are saying good riddance.

[LJ]

You do understand Roberts Bank ships coal, they don't receive it?

 

 

And you do understand that half the coal they ship comes from the states?

[johnk]

Bernier just handed the Selfie King a gift. Divide the Right! Great strategy, Max.

[NotHudsonMack]

This NAFTA stuff is getting nuts. I dont know much about trade deals but do politicla parties use trade negotiations to score points usually? We should keep our internal disagreements inside our borders and be a united front dealing with trump.

[Mike K.]

Trudeau just turned this whole thing into an epic adventure quest where he and his friends must do battle with a big, mean boss to save a princess. Sigh.

Anyone else heard his speech?

[Bingo]

This NAFTA stuff is getting nuts. I dont know much about trade deals but do politicla parties use trade negotiations to score points usually? We should keep our internal disagreements inside our borders and be a united front dealing with trump.

 

Trump notified Congress on Friday of his intent to sign a revamped deal in 90 days with Mexico — and Canada too, if Ottawa chooses to join in.

But on Saturday, Trump said there was "no political necessity" to include Canada in a deal, and suggested he would scrap NAFTA entirely rather than allowing it to continue in its current form.

"If we don't make a fair deal for the U.S. after decades of abuse, Canada will be out," he wrote.

But simply pulling out of NAFTA may not be as clear-cut as the president suggested in his message, according to several trade experts.

Congress must approve any rewrite of the deal and could refuse to endorse an agreement that excludes Canada.

https://www.timescol...ions-1.23419624

[Mike K.]

Win-win-win, to not even close.

We have been failed by the federal government. Trade negotiations are not altogether that complicaged. But when you have a party that thinks negotiating with the United States is all about feelings and image, you get this:

[sdwright.vic]

Wait?!? You want to blame our government for Trumps admitting he had no interest in negotiations?

https://www-thestar-...ith-canada.html

"Trump made his controversial statements in an Oval Office interview with Bloomberg News on Thursday. He said, “off the record,” that he is not making any compromises at all with Canada — and that he could not say this publicly because 'it’s going to be so insulting they’re not going to be able to make a deal.'"

[Mike K.]

I’m blaming our government for pretending that they were succeeding in negotiations on our behalf when no such thing was happening.

[sdwright.vic]

Do we know that really? Or are we just assuming that? I mean the government may if assumed they were getting somewhere until this sudden disclosure from Trump, that essentially, they were being led along a path to cause embarrassment for not taking a deal.

[Casual Kev]

Honestly, given Trump's inability to either deal in good faith or keep his perspective consistent, I don't blame the Liberals if they had the impression a deal was imminent. Somehow someone with the mentality of an used car salesman holds the key to the majority of our trade... what can ya do.

[thundergun]

Trade negotiations are not altogether that complicaged.

 

You may be an armchair expert on some things, but I am certain you're more than a little incorrect on this comment.

[Mike K.]

You're right, because politicians' notorious inability to accept concessions and their allegiances to [insert X lobby group here] get in the way.

 

You can't always come out on top. You can't always win. Business leaders understand that and negotiate accordingly.

[rjag]

You're right, because politicians' notorious inability to accept concessions and their allegiances to [insert X lobby group here] get in the way.

 

You can't always come out on top. You can't always win. Business leaders understand that and negotiate accordingly.

 

Milton Friedman says it best

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=59YWFR8lCEc

Edited by rjag, 04 September 2018 - 09:23 AM.

[RFS]

In all seriousness, is there anything Trudeau hasn't failed at?  Where have they succeeded?  Failed at infrastructure, failed at pipelines, failed at indigenous relations, failed at trade negotiations, failed at defense procurements, failed at voting reform, failed at climate plan, etc.  I guess weed was successful?  That might be it

[Mike K.]

They've succeeded and turning small business owners against the party, pitting doctors against middle-class Canadians and calling self-employed individuals tax cheats.

 

They also succeeded as the first party whose leader was slapped with an ethics breach.

[lanforod]

He's succeeded at photo ops (mostly, if you ignore India).

[Mike K.]

Oh hold on, Trudeau succeeded at making the entire Indian subcontinent cringe.

[Wayne]

https://nationalpost...b3-cc5cda0cba17

Only if, a wish come true. Fire all three.

Actually a good article, show how much fluff our current Federal Government runs on.