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[LJ]

Cant believe in todays world, abortion is a political topic.

It's not, in Canada. Only the media brings these things up and try to get a war of words going.

[LJ]

It is opposition to gay marriage, and anti abortion.  You are way off on equality for women though.  For the record I'm not a social conservative perse

I'm a life long conservative but I don't oppose gay marriage or abortion, but I don't need either thrust in my face.

 

Re equality for women - if companies can pay women less for doing the same work as a man, why would they hire men?

[nagel]

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Edited by nagel, 21 September 2018 - 10:21 AM.

[tjv]

I have a serious issue with an MP/MLA suddenly switching parties.  I vote for the federal party and rarely pay attention to the persons name other than maybe seeing them on campaign signs

 

I am firm believer if an MP/MLA doesn't want to be a member of that party then he/she needs to quit and there needs be a full by election with the former MP/MLA up for election with their new party

[Victoria Watcher]

that's pretty unnecessary.  if it's so crazy important (as the seat count is so close and there is a delicate minority) then an election might / would take care of itself.  if the seat count is not close everyone can wait until the next election.

[spanky123]

With the sad spectical which nows amounts to US politics playing out down south, who thinks that a year from now we will be dealing with the same with our own federal elections? 

[Mystic-Pizza]

I will be keeping a VERY close eye on the PPC as we approach next years federal election.

[tedward]

Conservatives no longer persue "Make a law against abortion". 

 

Bullshit. "Conservatives" are still making laws to outlaw abortions as much possible and to limit access to abortions.

 

Doug Ford in Ontario, for example, is going to change the laws to make it harder, while at the same time gutting the sex-ed curriculum in the schools. That's the "Conservative" approach in a nutshell: increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy while making more legal restrictions on abortion.


 

[RFS]

25% of pregnancies in Canada end in abortion. At the same time, our natural birth rate is below replacement levels. Anyone who is capable of looking at this from a macro, 'survival of our civilization' kind of level can see there's a problem

[johnk]

Another topic: the always entertaining Maxime Bernier.
He's pushing elimination of supply management in the dairy sector. Quebec is home to roughly 2/3 of the dairy farms in Canada. Dairy farmers benefit from supply management.
Lead balloon? Bullet meet foot?

[vortoozo]

25% of pregnancies in Canada end in abortion. At the same time, our natural birth rate is below replacement levels. Anyone who is capable of looking at this from a macro, 'survival of our civilization' kind of level can see there's a problem

 

Good thing this country embraces immigration.

[RFS]

Good thing this country embraces immigration.

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[Cats4Hire]

Japan has a similar (if not lower) birthrate to us and abortion is basically only legal if the mother would die giving birth so I don't think you can blame abortion on how low birth rate.

[Mystic-Pizza]

Bullshit. "Conservatives" are still making laws to outlaw abortions as much possible and to limit access to abortions.

 

Doug Ford in Ontario, for example, is going to change the laws to make it harder, while at the same time gutting the sex-ed curriculum in the schools. That's the "Conservative" approach in a nutshell: increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy while making more legal restrictions on abortion.


 

This is a Federal Election board, not "Provincial'  and I was referring to the Federal Conservative Party Of Canada.  There is no affiliation between the CPC and the Conservative Party Of Ontario. They are separate entities. The CPC does not persue those issues.

Edited by Mystic-Pizza, 24 September 2018 - 02:50 PM.

[tjv]

that's pretty unnecessary.  if it's so crazy important (as the seat count is so close and there is a delicate minority) then an election might / would take care of itself.  if the seat count is not close everyone can wait until the next election.

Maybe you haven't seen it, but generally speaking the governing party always favors their party MLA's/MP's areas.  Just look at the island highway construction 20 years ago -  Victoria got little, while Nanaimo north, NDP heartland got a freeway.

[tjv]

Bullshit. "Conservatives" are still making laws to outlaw abortions as much possible and to limit access to abortions.

 

Doug Ford in Ontario, for example, is going to change the laws to make it harder, while at the same time gutting the sex-ed curriculum in the schools. That's the "Conservative" approach in a nutshell: increase the likelihood of unwanted pregnancy while making more legal restrictions on abortion.


 

ok and look at the new provincial NDP law where provincial contracts are union only!  Bullshit as you say

[Casual Kev]

Japan has a similar (if not lower) birthrate to us and abortion is basically only legal if the mother would die giving birth so I don't think you can blame abortion on how low birth rate.

 

Different cultures, though. Japanese society is still prude, workaholic and reserved with young people being increasingly withdrawn from even trying to procreate. It's unlikely legalizing abortion would have much of an impact on birth rates. On the other hand, our society is very open, accepting of casual sex and fine with finding work-life balance. If abortion wasn't an option, people would still hit the sheets, pop babies and support those without the means.

 

...probably.

[tedward]

25% of pregnancies in Canada end in abortion. At the same time, our natural birth rate is below replacement levels. Anyone who is capable of looking at this from a macro, 'survival of our civilization' kind of level can see there's a problem

 

Looking at the macro level we see that Canada has always been a nation of immigrants so the "solution" is obvious.

The option you (a "social conservative") appear to be supporting is to force women to have babies. You moan about being forced to pay for public services but are apparently fine with forcing women to become birthing slaves? 

[RFS]

Looking at the macro level we see that Canada has always been a nation of immigrants so the "solution" is obvious.

The option you (a "social conservative") appear to be supporting is to force women to have babies. You moan about being forced to pay for public services but are apparently fine with forcing women to become birthing slaves? 

No, Canada has always been a nation of settlers from it's founding European colonial powers.  Implying that modern day mass immigration is basically the same thing is totally dishonest.  Not to mention the other problems with that kind of immigration such as harmful brain drain on the source countries.

Secondly, I am not a social conservative, at least in the way you think that term means.  I don't moan about being forced to pay for public services as a rule.  I would be all for grants and incentives to women for having babies.  Honestly, give them 10 grand a baby.  More even.  Give them a free house when they have a certain number of babies.  It would be worth it

[sdwright.vic]

I personally think I already pay enough for other people's babies thank you very much.