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[Mike K.]

Do you know what's my favourite study this one https://www.science....science.abk0063 from exonn mobile from all the way back in 1977. That warned of man made climate change from the burning of fossil fuels, resulting in increased temperatures. Which suprise surprise was shelved by the company execs to keep the public in the dark. Then spent hundreds of millions to muddy the waters by trying to convince people that first off climate change wasn't real, then that it isn't anthropogenic.

Did you know that BP created the concept of the carbon footprint, which today is a favourite phrase and concept of environmentalists and environmental pursuits? It was a marketing scheme to deflect from what was happening in the Gulf of Mexico, and it put the onus of conservation on you and I, and not the energy companies, or the governments that really, really appreciate the dollars they get from the energy companies by being so interwoven with them.

There is tremendous value in creating the impression that what you’re doing carries a cost over and above your direct action, because then you are more likely to accept paying more for something. Climate change and the energy industry go hand in hand, by creating and perpetuating the notion of a finite resource, for which you have to pay more to consume because of its down-the-line impacts. We know this to be true, as energy companies make record high profits despite the push to reduce energy consumption and carbon taxes that are meant to force your hand to use less energy.

And as our energy needs grow, we’re pumping more oil than ever.

So who are the real winners here? You and I, the environment, or energy and government?

[Nparker]

Never bet against the house.

[Mike K.]

How many doomsday climate scenarios were to have occurred by now? Dozens, and dozens, and dozens. And we keep setting new ones, as more oil than -ever- is extracted to satisfy more demand than ever.

We have fooled people into thinking a new Tesla is an environmental decision. That’s utter nonsense. But it satisfies the inner consumer in us, and hides emissions and environmental damage to where we can’t see them.

[Nparker]

How many doomsday climate scenarios were to have occurred by now?...

This site helps keep track: https://extinctionclock.org/

[dasmo]

This has worked tremendously well for the Tobacco Industry. They have a locked in monopoly since no new players can enter the market because they can’t advertise or get past regulations. The tobacco companies now sell less for a lot more.

[dasmo]

These graphs are all still predictions and based on assumptions. 

 

https://www.science....science.abk0063

 

"assumed" "models" "approximate" "expected" 

 

Plus they are making educated guesses at global mean temperatures from thousand years ago but if you look at that chart it does show you that the idea that we can control the temperature to within 1.5% by building bike lanes is insane.... 

 

How can they be so sure when there is so much assumption? From the measurement of CO2 itself, to the contexts of it's fluctuation over time, let alone our influence on it, or it's relationship to climate and how climate changes over time. This last point is made clear by the thousand year chart. 

 

To not even consider the immutable truth that everything has it's rhythm and that nothing stays the same is also a tell tale sign of something missing in this unattainable goal of controlling the climate by social engineering. 

 

It is also a shame because it redirects funding and attention from real world problems like poisoning our air, water and food. It also creates more problems for nature preservation since now we will need to rebuild everything and instead of only pumping oil from the ground we will now need massive mining operations etc etc. All of which will require a lot of oil. Which is still needed for chemicals, plastics, lube, fuel etc. 

 

Exxonmobil will make a fortune.

[Victoria Watcher]

From November to January, it was the third mildest winter in Ottawa in records going back to 1872, according to Environment and Climate Change Canada. Only the winters of 1931 and 2001 were milder.

 

In Ottawa, the BeaverTails Ice Dragon Boat Festival had to cancel races slated for Feb. 3-4 on Dow’s Lake.

 

On Thursday, the National Capital Commission tweeted that it had officially passed its record for the latest opening date of the Rideau Canal Skateway, which was Feb. 2 in 2002.

 

 

https://ottawacitize...nd-the-forecast

 

 

 

https://ncc-ccn.gc.c...-canal-skateway

 

 

 

 

 

 

They might run out of winter before they ever get it open.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 07 February 2023 - 09:55 AM.

[Nparker]

From November to January, it was the third mildest winter in Ottawa in records going back to 1872, according to Environment and Climate Change Canada. Only the winters of 1931 and 2001 were milder...

#climatechange1931

[Victoria Watcher]

Will this be the 1st time the Rideau Canal Skateway doesn't open? The forecast is 'not looking good'

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6742515



Canadians are saving tens of millions of dollars on heating bills this winter. Good news, no?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 09 February 2023 - 03:38 PM.

[dasmo]

This can’t be good for the earth….
https://www.clevelan...an-return-home/

[dasmo]

All major road building projects in Wales are scrapped

Plans for a third Menai bridge will not go ahead and neither will the controversial Red Route in Flintshire.
The move is part of the Welsh government's National Transport Plan and follows a year-long review.
Environmental campaigners called it "world-leading and brave" but some in the construction industry warned the announcement could put jobs at risk.

https://www.bbc.com/...-wales-64640215

[dasmo]

More on the toxic waste burn in Ohio. A sciency analysis
https://twitter.com/...pFCMA8FAMVzs2iw

[dasmo]

Odd this hasn’t been front page news. It’s pretty crazy. Not carbon related I guess….

[Nparker]

The Davos Club hasn't found a way to add a climate change spin to the story yet, but I am sure they will.

[Victoria Watcher]

https://www.victoria...ary-since-1985/

 

[dasmo]

Is THIS the key to tackling climate change? Scientists claim World War II-style RATIONING of petrol, energy and meat could help countries slash their carbon emissions 'rapidly and fairly'
https://www.dailymai...-emissions.html

[Nparker]

Sounds like a claim made by political scientists. I'll start my rations right after the Davos crowd does.

[dasmo]

What I find interesting is the media on one had reports these finding: 

"Researchers from the University of Leeds also said that governments could restrict the number of long-haul flights people make in a year or 'limit the amount of petrol one can buy in a month'."

 

Meanwhile program you to dismiss those noticing this unsettling trend via disparaging the very idea of defending human rights and liberty. 

 

COVID-19 conspiracy groups will pivot to pushing climate change misinformation in 2022, experts say.

They will frame climate policy as a "loss of civil liberties," an expert told the PA news agency.

Conspiracy theorists are already using phrases like "climate lockdown" to spread misinformation, per PA.

 

https://www.business...-experts-2022-1

[dasmo]

And what is truly alarming is our local governments are being conscripted into being activists. C40 cities is yet another NGO producing reams and reams of propaganda materials to push these agendas. and yet those raising the alarm bells are conspiracy theorists with an agenda? This is pretty intrusive social engineering...

https://c40.my.sales...teg_zgIe5o57GFI

[dasmo]

C40 is a network of mayors of nearly 100 world-leading cities collaborating to deliver the urgent action needed right now to confront the climate crisis. Together, we can create a future where everyone, everywhere can thrive.

 

https://www.c40.org/about-c40/