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[Victoria Watcher]

https://x.com/StockM...756835985301727

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A California police department spent $153,000 on a Cybertruck for school anti-drug events

 

 

Although Irvine police said they won’t use the Cybertruck as a patrol car, the police department didn’t rule out other uses should the need arise. 

 

 

https://www.nbcnews....ment-rcna174599

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 08 October 2024 - 09:28 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Drone footage of the latest construction at the Tesla Diner site. Lots of workers’ cars parked around, but only a few working on the outside of the building. They must be making a push to finish the interior. Stay to the end for a nice sunset shot.

 

https://youtu.be/tSG...ZFZk4gQs8Ho1V0h

 

 

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 09 October 2024 - 05:34 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Tesla Semi exceeds expectations in 3,000 mile trial with DHL

 

 

https://driveteslaca...trial-with-dhl/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://x.com/Sawyer...258177224933567

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 10 October 2024 - 12:22 PM.

[Mike K.]

Tesla down 9% at the opening. Maybe it’ll rebound but the market doesn’t seem too excited about the taxi.

[Victoria Watcher]

Tesla down 9% at the opening. Maybe it’ll rebound but the market doesn’t seem too excited about the taxi.

 

Thy'll never understand.  Until it's here.

[Mike K.]

CYbErTRuCk fries, after going through a puddle on an offroad trail.

https://youtube.com/...dHx4ClbVrk6geQZ

[Victoria Watcher]

Porsche announced third-quarter and year-to-date sales so far in 2024, and things aren't looking good for the Taycan. The company's flagship EV is down a whopping 50 percent globally—just 14,042 have been sold from January through September. It's a contributing factor in Porsche posting an overall global sales drop of 7 percent.

 

The decline isn't solely related to electric power, however. The Panamera plunged 20 percent, logging 21,506 sales. The Macan, one of the company's top-selling vehicles, also recorded a 20-percent drop with 55,000 units sold. Porsche says the struggles are largely due to refreshed models arriving at dealerships, though it's worth noting the company stopped selling the gas-powered Macan in Europe, contributing to the dip in sales.

 

 

https://www.motor1.c...n-global-sales/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 11 October 2024 - 08:49 AM.

[Mike K.]

To make matters worse, Teslas are already more expensive to insure than the average vehicle. The average annual rate for a Tesla Model 3 is $2,221, compared to an industry average annual rate of $1,776, according to NerdWallet.

These costs could dent CEO Elon Musk's promise that Tesla would operate a robotaxi business that is a mix of Uber and Airbnb, where drivers who enter their cars into the robotaxi fleet can profit from their otherwise stagnant vehicles.
"It's great that you have a vehicle that is cheaper," said Jessica Caldwell, executive director of insights for Edmunds, referring to Tesla's $30,000 Cybercab. "But that can easily get outweighed by high insurance costs."

Like I’ve said before, Teslas are much more expensive than other vehicles to insure, 25% on average more expensive, in the US. There goes your fuel savings!

Now the conversation is switching over to how much more expensive Robotaxes are going to cost you for insurance.

- https://stocks.apple...gSLGpEZzoDfzF_Q

[Ismo07]

Like I’ve said before, Teslas are much more expensive than other vehicles to insure, 25% on average more expensive, in the US. There goes your fuel savings!

Now the conversation is switching over to how much more expensive Robotaxes are going to cost you for insurance.

- https://stocks.apple...gSLGpEZzoDfzF_Q

 

So it's $450 more per year.  See this is where saying the % amount more makes it sound a lot worse.  Oil changes are infinity % more less.  Does that make sense?  How often do taxis typically change their oil.   Was there an actual review of how much the fuel savings are?  Gotta believe it's over $450 difference.

Edited by Ismo07, 11 October 2024 - 11:47 AM.

[Mike K.]

Oil changes are cheaper than new tires, more frequently than with a gasser.

[Ismo07]

Oil changes are cheaper than new tires, more frequently than with a gasser.

 

I've always asked for the break down of a years expenses...  I don't think it happens because what it will reveal.  Let's do tires after..  What are gas, oil, insurance costs per year compared to insurance and charging expenses?

[Mike K.]

Just the cost of an EV compared to an equivalent gasser is tens of thousands apart.

Do some research and let us know.

[Ismo07]

Just the cost of an EV compared to an equivalent gasser is tens of thousands apart.

Do some research and let us know.

 

If we are talking about taxis or ride hailing services, I think it is very difficult to find an ICE vehicle providing that service.  Should tell you right there that fuel expense is the highest issue.  I'm not sure if I need to show much work.  Saying that $450 in extra insurance shows that gas savings don't help is silly and I think you might need to show your work and research.  

 

I have no idea how much you spend on gas...  Can we say $400/mo?  I'm not saying this amount alone would be enough to switch, but if your vehicle was end of life, even with an extra $500 per year on insurance.  Is an avg sedan really 10s of thousands more as an EV?  I don't really shop for them.

 

This article shows American families spend $150-$200 per month of gas..  Right after that it says average family spends $5,000 per year so I'm not sure about that math..  How Much Do People Spend On Gas Each Month? (jdpower.com)

 

I guess as we move forward EVs will continue to lower in price, as we've seen happen.  I don't have a preference in this, I just hear what people say and can see the math.  Talking about insurance that is $450 more a year and tires that are what, and extra $3,000 over 5 years? So let's call it and extra $1,000 per year for tires and insurance vs at least half the fuel costs (might be generous)..  Won't even talk about oil, filters, less brake wear etc.  If you are buying used cars, then ICE is the way to go for sure.

 

There are many articles on the differences, some seem to miss some points that others make.  Not one that I've found does a little spread sheet...  Electric vs. Gas Vehicles: A Cost Comparison in Canada – EnergyRates.ca

 

 

An average American spends between $150 to $200 on gas every month. It, of course, varies and depends on the state, lifestyle, and driving habits. American families spend approximately $5,000 on gas annually, which is almost 2.24% of their monthly income. 

[lanforod]

Seems like a reasonable source:
https://www.autotrad...-vs-a-gas-car/ 
 

with " the incentive, it found that all 23 EVs had a lower cost of ownership than their gasoline counterparts. However, without the incentive, only 18 of the 23 had a total cost of ownership advantage. Its conclusion: Qualifying for the federal rebate is not a requirement for EVs to save their buyers money, but it certainly helps"

 

That's over 5 years. Yes, that includes tires, but not replacing the EV battery - the article explains why.

[Ismo07]

Seems like a reasonable source:
https://www.autotrad...-vs-a-gas-car/ 
 

That's over 5 years. Yes, that includes tires, but not replacing the EV battery - the article explains why.

 

They already got rid of that link?  Tells me no longer available.

[Mike K.]

^dead link.

Like I said though, the EV costs way more to buy.

An AWD Model Y base configuration is $64k, minus $5k, so $59k, plus taxes, and doesn’t that include luxury sales tax if above $55k?

An AWD Toyota Rav 4 base is $36k.

There is no way in hell do the costs compare. You have to take extreme liberties or outright lie to make a case that contradicts that fact. I mean, just the interest on the additional $23k the Tesla costs is a massive monthly cost. Plus you’re paying far more in sales tax. And can you find a comparable SUV cheaper than a Rav 4? Absolutely.

Only a stubborn mule thinks there’s a benefit to the average consumer, to buy an EV over a comparable gasser.

[lanforod]

Lets try that again...: https://www.autotrad...e-vs-a-gas-car/

 

 

^ that works. I blame the circa 2002 forum software again.

Edited by lanforod, 11 October 2024 - 02:26 PM.

[Ismo07]

^dead link.

Like I said though, the EV costs way more to buy.

An AWD Model Y base configuration is $64k, minus $5k, so $59k, plus taxes, and doesn’t that include luxury sales tax if above $55k?

An AWD Toyota Rav 4 base is $36k.

There is no way in hell do the costs compare. You have to take extreme liberties or outright lie to make a case that contradicts that fact. I mean, just the interest on the additional $23k the Tesla costs is a massive monthly cost. Plus you’re paying far more in sales tax. And can you find a comparable SUV cheaper than a Rav 4? Absolutely.

Only a stubborn mule thinks there’s a benefit to the average consumer, to buy an EV over a comparable gasser.

 

Is that what people are comparing to model Y?  A Rav 4?  Is that fair?  Even if people do, that $20k difference would be gone in about 5-6 years in fuel alone...  I don't think people shopping and looking at a model Y so I'm going with a Rav 4 instead lol...

Edited by Ismo07, 11 October 2024 - 02:30 PM.

[Mike K.]

Teslas are utilitarian vehicles now. When they were new they were very expensive and were considered a luxury brand. They’re lower quality than a Toyota, today, for the most part.

As in, you’re going to get a complicated heap of garbage with a cYbErTRuCk, and a life-long dependable vehicle with a Tacoma.

[Victoria Watcher]

Lolz.

The CYbErTRuCk can drive itself now. Soon it’ll drive itself without you having to monitor.

The Tacoma will never do either.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 11 October 2024 - 02:35 PM.