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#1 MarkoJ

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Posted 03 April 2016 - 10:52 PM

I see a large problem awaiting many strata corporations in years to come so I thought I would start a thread for discussion.

 

One of the buildings I own a condo in is the Era @ 728 Yates (newest concrete building downtown).  Problems identified so far....

 

1/ Only four charging stations (157 unit building).

2/ Stations located in visitor parking spots where visitors always park non-electric cars; therefore, access rarely available.

3/ Very odd choice for plug (Nema 6-20), not many electric cars come with this adapter stock.

4/ Charges a Tesla at only 15 km/h (would need to left plugged in overnight) assuming you order the rare adapter.

5/ Hydro consumption billed back to strata common hydro bill.

 

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#2 lanforod

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 10:19 AM

It's a business opportunity I think. An enterprising person who could come up with a relatively inexpensive way to add electric charging to each stall in a building, metered...



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Posted 04 April 2016 - 10:29 AM

I wonder what additional electrical capacity newer buildings are built with.  If the load calcs never took into consideration 15-25% of the owners using electric cars, installing additional outlets might not be an option. 

 

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 11:49 AM

If we are referring to 120 volt 20 amp receptacles, the code calculating will already be included in the square foot load calculation.

If we are referring to the 240 volt 50 amp receptacles, they would be added to the square foot calculation as additional equipment in order to determine the size of the electrical service to the building.

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 11:53 AM

I will return to the discussion that Marco and I were having about adding 2-50 receptacles on an existing 200 amp residential service once I have completed my research.

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 07:23 PM

Promontory is even worse, has no charging stations...unless you want to charge where the scooters chill at a cool 6 km/h (a three day charge for a Tesla :)

 

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:26 PM

Well Promontory certainly has the capability to support 4-6 hour charging stations in each of its parking stalls, but what happened to the initial 10 stations?   :huh:

 

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Simpson said the solution is to have the potential for charging stations wired into the building as it's coming out of the ground and establishing the BosaVolt charging station as an option when buying a condo in a Bosa development.  So as the parkade is taking shape at the 21-storey Promontory project, the transformer has been upgraded and the necessary wiring is being installed in the infrastructure of the building to allow as many as 177 charging units to be installed.

 

Bosa will only be installing 10 at the outset. "This is being done so, down the road, if people want to take advantage of the technology, they can," said Simpson. "We are planning for the present and the future with this."

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#8 MarkoJ

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:35 PM

Did they leave conduits to each parking spot? There are a few parking spots on P2 or P3 that have some blank cover plates but it is only a handful of stalls.


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#9 nagel

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:51 PM

Did you take the power cord away from a bike?????

#10 JanionGuy

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:56 PM

This is a good discussion, and clearly developers are rather lagging in this department.  

 

Strata corporations are left with what the developer has built, so you can't blame the strata council (ie., management of the strata corporation).  And a strata clearly should not be responsible for providing free electricity for large electic consumers like cars (in many cases stratas do provide free electricity in parking lots to provide power for vacuum cleaners and such).  

 

Right now, i think the onus is on the car owner to do their research. If you buy an electric car, you will have to be sure you can charge it on your own, without much support.  Don't go out and buy an electric car and expect a strata corporation to suddenly provide your fuel. 


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#11 LeoVictoria

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 09:26 PM

Yeah I think all these public charging stations cannot continue for that long.   In the end, why should the taxpayers subsidize what is essentially a luxury purchase?   Sure I understand the goal of it, but once a significant portion of the cars out there are electric they are going to have to go metered everywhere.

 

Gonna be a ton of work for electricians retrofitting high current chargers everywhere.



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Posted 04 April 2016 - 09:40 PM

Did you take the power cord away from a bike?????

 

Yes I did, can't stand bikes.  Some guy rolled up to me today on a bike and said, "thank you for driving a Tesla," and I fingered him as I speed off.


Edited by MarkoJ, 04 April 2016 - 09:45 PM.

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#13 MarkoJ

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 09:42 PM

Yeah I think all these public charging stations cannot continue for that long.   In the end, why should the taxpayers subsidize what is essentially a luxury purchase?   Sure I understand the goal of it, but once a significant portion of the cars out there are electric they are going to have to go metered everywhere.

 

Gonna be a ton of work for electricians retrofitting high current chargers everywhere.

 

I keep telling my electrician friends to get into the residential/strata car charging niche but no one is listening to me....if Tesla puts you on their website as their "preferred" installer you can probably charge double and get away with it.


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#14 MarkoJ

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 09:43 PM

This is a good discussion, and clearly developers are rather lagging in this department.  

 

Strata corporations are left with what the developer has built, so you can't blame the strata council (ie., management of the strata corporation).  And a strata clearly should not be responsible for providing free electricity for large electic consumers like cars (in many cases stratas do provide free electricity in parking lots to provide power for vacuum cleaners and such).  

 

Right now, i think the onus is on the car owner to do their research. If you buy an electric car, you will have to be sure you can charge it on your own, without much support.  Don't go out and buy an electric car and expect a strata corporation to suddenly provide your fuel. 

 

There has to be a metered solution?  A Tesla can go through $500 a year in hydro, doesn't make sense for strata to absorb.


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#15 JanionGuy

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 10:08 PM

There has to be a metered solution?  A Tesla can go through $500 a year in hydro, doesn't make sense for strata to absorb.

 

Exactly.  

 

I think you meant to put an exclamation on the end of the first sentence, not a question mark!



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Posted 05 April 2016 - 01:00 AM

This company uses a Schneider Wattson charging station for retrofitting existing buildings with charging stations. http://evercharge.net/why-evercharge

 

Looks like they have the individual billing thing figured out.



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Posted 05 April 2016 - 07:37 AM

Did you take the power cord away from a bike?????

 

No, you pedal the bike to generate electricity to charge the car 


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Posted 05 April 2016 - 07:39 AM

No, you pedal the bike to generate electricity to charge the car 

That's not actually a bad idea.  Stationary bikes that power TV's.  You only get to watch while pedaling or the screen fades out.


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#19 lanforod

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 12:39 PM

Promontory is even worse, has no charging stations...unless you want to charge where the scooters chill at a cool 6 km/h (a three day charge for a Tesla :)

 

 

 

Why did you even bother plugging in??


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#20 LeoVictoria

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 04:43 PM

Why did you even bother plugging in??


When you spend $100k+ on a car you gotta pinch pennies on the power!

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