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[todd]

It can also keep prices up and reduce demand/consumption.  Free safe supply drugs does not do this.

you’re saying, they still need to control the price

[Nparker]

Maybe, but controlling the drugs (nannying) doesn’t do much more than support organized crime...

Supplying free opioids to addicts is the ultimate in nannying.

[todd]

Supplying free opioids to addicts is the ultimate in nannying.

You prefer they go do some theft first?

[Beacon]

You prefer they go do some theft first?

 

Are you now saying all people who do drugs are thieves?

[todd]

Are you now saying all people who do drugs are thieves?

I’m PC, so no.

[Victoria Watcher]

You prefer they go do some theft first?

 

Do you want to apply this to other issues then?  Give people money so they do not rob a bank, a car so they don't steal one etc.?

[todd]

Do you want to apply this to other issues then?  Give people money so they do not rob a bank, a car so they don't steal one etc.?

they’re addicted to robbing banks? I think they would be addicted to drugs most likely if they are.

[Victoria Watcher]

they’re addicted to robbing banks? I think they would be addicted to drugs most likely if they are.

 

They enjoy drugs.  They steal.

 

They enjoy money, they rob banks.

 

They enjoy cars, they steal cars.

[todd]

They are physically addicted to Teslas. They microdose.

Edited by todd, 08 December 2023 - 11:10 AM.

[LJ]

 The victims themselves need to relate to people who were once in their shoes. 
 

Why? They just need someone to smack them upside the head if they think about using. Anyone can relate to that.

[Victoria Watcher]

A pilot project that would pay people $20 a day to participate in a drug treatment program out of St. Paul’s Hospital’s Road to Recovery Program is coming under criticism from an advocate in the field.

 

Tyson Singh Kelsall, a Downtown Eastside social worker and health sciences PhD student at SFU, says he fears the project — which is set to begin in 2024 and aims to expand addiction services to meet increasing demands — can actually further endanger drug users, because once people finish inpatient programs, they are even more susceptible to the toxic street supply.

 

“Ultimately, what we’re seeing right now in emerging research … in the era of the toxic drug supply is that these inpatient programs actually increase people’s risk of death and overdose,” he said.

 

That, he explains, is because the people going into these programs come out with a lower tolerance to drugs. If they use the same amount of drugs after leaving treatment as they did before they started the program, it can lead to deadly outcomes.

 

 

https://vancouver.ci...ject-addiction/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 08 December 2023 - 09:49 PM.

[Nparker]

Shouldn't the goal of addiction treatment programs be to get people to stop using drugs entirely? 

[Mike K.]

Why? They just need someone to smack them upside the head if they think about using. Anyone can relate to that.

They’re people, LJ, not Kias.

[Victoria Watcher]

Shouldn't the goal of addiction treatment programs be to get people to stop using drugs entirely? 

 

I believe so, not sure if the experts and the vendors agree.  Might be more money in managing them.   And that's a problem.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 08 December 2023 - 10:26 PM.

[Nparker]

Tough love is often the most compassionate form of help.

[JimV]

I’m so sick of hearing about the “toxic drug supply” as though pharmaceutical grade drugs would make any difference in deaths or addictions.  Didn’t various governments sue the drug companies for making pure drugs available?  

 

And “safe supply” is another chimera trotted out by know nothings or people with an agenda.  It is well established that hydromorphine is soon diverted for more potent drugs.  These, in turn, are almost always going to be cut with something - that’s the nature of the business.

[max.bravo]

I’m so sick of hearing about the “toxic drug supply” as though pharmaceutical grade drugs would make any difference in deaths or addictions. Didn’t various governments sue the drug companies for making pure drugs available?

And “safe supply” is another chimera trotted out by know nothings or people with an agenda. It is well established that hydromorphine is soon diverted for more potent drugs. These, in turn, are almost always going to be cut with something - that’s the nature of the business.

The addicts get their free dilaudid from the pharmacy every morning and then sell them in order to buy the “toxic supply” more potent fentanyl.

This happens every day in BC. This is the result of establishing a “safe supply.”

The province has inserted itself as a player in the drug addiction economy / supply chain. Nice.

Edited by max.bravo, 09 December 2023 - 10:55 AM.

[LJ]

Poverty pimps enriching themselves at the expense of their clients...

 

https://www.washingt...medicaid-fraud/

[Beacon]

The real reason LIsa Lapoint is "retiring"

 

 British Columbia's chief coroner Lisa Lapointe says she's a hopeful person, but she is leaving her office frustrated and disappointed.

Angry, even, with drug overdose deaths expected to hit record levels this year.

The B.C. Coroners Service issued a public safety warning Wednesday, citing increases in overdose deaths "above earlier indications," when 189 deaths were reported in October.

 

"While data is still under review, preliminary indications suggest unregulated drug toxicity has caused more than 200 deaths in November 2023, and that the province has averaged about seven deaths per day for the past seven weeks," said a coroners service statement.

https://www.timescol...esponse-7974981

 

How's all that "harm reduction" and legalizing meth and fentanyl everywhere while handing out free opioids doing anyway?

Can we finally put an end to this failed experiment and get people some addiction treatment centers and programs?

[Mike K.]

What does the coroner have to do with drug policy. This is a sincere question. Does Lapointe have control over some aspect of drug supply?