Why not address the predictable issues with the first go-round?
In the design stage, I mean. Before you actually build the darned thing.
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Posted 12 October 2021 - 11:29 AM
Why not address the predictable issues with the first go-round?
In the design stage, I mean. Before you actually build the darned thing.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 12:14 PM
The path was designed to be more than double the width it currently is. Chard and and strata council say the City screwed up and didn't get the access to the next door property's half of the path. So instead of one wide shared path for Yates/Vivid and that Yates Centre building that would be gated after 10pm, we're currently stuck with two narrow gated paths with a crappy fence down the middle.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 12:30 PM
Without the Yates Centre path the YoY/Vivid path is just too narrow to be useful.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 12:55 PM
The path was designed to be more than double the width it currently is. Chard and and strata council say the City screwed up and didn't get the access to the next door property's half of the path. So instead of one wide shared path for Yates/Vivid and that Yates Centre building that would be gated after 10pm, we're currently stuck with two narrow gated paths with a crappy fence down the middle.
Well, maybe I'm being too hard on the mid-block walkway program. After all, who could have possibly predicted these issues?
Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:22 PM
What I'm saying is, put another much nicer and much wider walkway right beside the Coronet's walkway (maybe 2-3 times as wide) and also change the dividers along the property line to something more pedestrian-permeable than what's there now and you might actually end up with a decent passage that could actually be appealing.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:03 PM
If there's no fundamental willingness or commitment to doing these walkways properly then why bother doing them at all? G-Man might counter and claim any walkway is a good walkway even if it's a terrible walkway. But to my ear that would be no different than a skyscraper fanatic claiming any tall building is a good tall building even if it's a terrible tall building.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:13 PM
Without the Yates Centre path the YoY/Vivid path is just too narrow to be useful.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:16 PM
Edited by Victoria Watcher, 12 October 2021 - 01:16 PM.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:21 PM
Are the hallways of YoY too narrow to be useful?
Are you encouraging the CoV to start pushing the limits re: the literal definition of usefulness? If the passage is wide enough for size 14 feet to fit sideways then it should be useful for many people to shuffle through? (one way only, no passing)
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:23 PM
If the passage is wide enough for a clothesline then it should be useful for clipping messages onto the line and passing them to the other side?
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:30 PM
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:30 PM
Is the walkway narrower than apartment building hallways? Are the hallways of YoY too narrow to be useful?
An effective mid-block walkway should be more like a narrow street than a wide hallway.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:31 PM
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:38 PM
My narrow passage for sideways shuffling would of course have two levels, to keep people safely apart.
To get back to what we were talking about earlier re: the impracticality of re-working certain types of buildings that face into these passages: in order for this walkway to realize any of its potential I think the burden would now have to fall upon the old movie theatre building to undergo some significant ground-level renovations.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 01:40 PM
Until then, it's looking like a dud for the foreseeable future.
Posted 12 October 2021 - 05:10 PM
Posted 14 October 2021 - 06:23 PM
I think that photo shows most of it is much wider than an apartment hall.
Posted 03 December 2021 - 07:21 AM
Downtown residents who want a mid-block pedestrian path connecting Yates and Johnson streets opened to the public hope they will soon gain daytime access to the route.
Victoria councillors turned down a request to close the path to the public and allow access only to residents until an agreement is reached with owners of the adjacent property for an expanded walkway.
The walkway provides an important link from Johnson Street to a well-used bus stop on Yates Street, said Mathew Yee, who lives in a building at 834 Johnson St. that includes owners, renters and supportive housing units.
Closure of the path triples the distance residents, some of whom use walkers and wheelchairs, must travel between the building and the bus stop and other mid-block amenities on Yates Street.
https://www.timescol...walkway-4825477
Posted 03 December 2021 - 07:44 AM
...The walkway provides an important link from Johnson Street to a well-used bus stop on Yates Street ..Closure of the path triples the distance residents, some of whom use walkers and wheelchairs, must travel between the building and the bus stop...
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the seniors. This isn't Clover Point after all.
Posted 03 December 2021 - 10:49 AM
Sometimes making people go the long way around is heroically noble and sometimes making people go the long way around is tragically insensitive.
Posted 03 December 2021 - 01:56 PM
The fact that Vivid owners (except the ground floor townhome owners) can't even open the pathway's gates with our fobs between 5pm and 9am has been a point of contention. so I find it a bit hard to believe that "many residents of the building have written to council opposing public access."
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