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Oaks at Bellewood Park
Use: condo
Address: 1201 Fort Street
Municipality: Victoria
Region: Urban core
Storeys: 6
Condo units: 51 (sub-penthouse, penthouse, 1BR + den, 2BR + den, junior 2BR)
Sales status: pre-sales
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#41 FirstTimeHomeCrier

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 09:08 PM

 

 

Residents have been used to a park-like space on that property, which now has low-rise church buildings, plenty of green space and tall trees. They have picnics there. Their children learned to ride their bikes on the site.

 

Heaven forbid anyone have to walk another block or two to find a picnic spot.


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#42 Nparker

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 09:12 PM

Heaven forbid anyone have to walk another block or two to find a picnic spot.

That isn't on private property.



#43 Baro

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 01:38 PM

I was visiting family in Rockland the other day and found the huge ugly modern house on the corner of Moss and Rockland had the "STOP OVER DEVELOPMENT! RESPECT OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD!" sign up on it.  I had to stop and laugh out loud as I remember when that house was proposed/built.  It was incredibly controversial in the neighbourhood, people said it's angular modern design was an attack on the neighbourhood and allowing it to be built would destroy rockland.  People also said it was too big,  it was a monster house, the massing was oppressing the intersection.  For years after it was built people complained about it.

 

To see it having a sign against development that might change the character of the neighbourhood was just perfectly poetic.  The only good neighbourhood character destroying monster house is my neighbourhood character destroying monster house.

 

It's FYGM all the way down.  Cities grow and densify organically over time, when you try to stop that you seriously damage the city.  Large chunks of rockland along transit corridors should absolutely should be replaced with townhouses and multi-family.  Keep the grand historic mansions and character homes and add natural incremental density where it best fits.  Once you pour the formaldehyde over the neighbourhood or try to encase it in amber you've killed it.

 

In case anyone doesn't know the context,  here's the area and I've highlighted the truth centre.

 

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Look at the density/massing of the area.  Along fort it's all condos and apartments already, as is Linden.  Along moss you have a transition of apartments, the art gallery, and finally single family houses.  On the site in question having condos along fort with low-rise townhouses along penterlew 100% matches the general "gradient" of forms in the existing neighbourhood.  If the residents want open space they can bid in the lot, or maybe buy a farm out in north saanich because this is a city lot along a major transit route, get over it.


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#44 shoeflack

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 02:13 PM

I was visiting family in Rockland the other day and found the huge ugly modern house on the corner of Moss and Rockland had the "STOP OVER DEVELOPMENT! RESPECT OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD!" sign up on it.  I had to stop and laugh out loud as I remember when that house was proposed/built.  It was incredibly controversial in the neighbourhood, people said it's angular modern design was an attack on the neighbourhood and allowing it to be built would destroy rockland.  People also said it was too big,  it was a monster house, the massing was oppressing the intersection.  For years after it was built people complained about it.

 

To see it having a sign against development that might change the character of the neighbourhood was just perfectly poetic.  The only good neighbourhood character destroying monster house is my neighbourhood character destroying monster house.

 

Hypocrisy from a NIMBY neighborhood? In Victoria? Impossible!

 

Were those homeowners the original builders of that property? Would be nice to see them defend their hypocrisy at public hearing. 



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Posted 18 April 2017 - 02:17 PM

That whole circle is full of way too much asphalt.  Fix the street a bit in the process to please the Pentrelewians.


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#46 Nparker

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 02:37 PM

...the huge ugly modern house on the corner of Moss and Rockland had the "STOP OVER DEVELOPMENT! RESPECT OUR NEIGHBOURHOOD!" sign up on it...

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The only good neighbourhood character destroying monster house is my neighbourhood character destroying monster house...

Understanding irony has never been a strong point of the NIMBY crowd.

...Cities grow and densify organically over time, when you try to stop that you seriously damage the city...Once you pour the formaldehyde over the neighbourhood or try to encase it in amber you've killed it...

The "encase in amber" method of neighbourhood preservation has long been the Victoria approach. The results of this couldn't be more evident than in the current supply and demand housing crunch we currently face.



#47 Nparker

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 02:45 PM

That whole circle is full of way too much asphalt...

Agreed. That is a lot of pavement, especially on the northern side.

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Townhouses along Pentrelew will make an ideal transition between the existing density of Fort Street and the SFH's of Rockland.



#48 johnk

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 02:45 PM

Hypocrisy from a NIMBY neighborhood? In Victoria?....

I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:48 PM

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An artist's rendering of a six-storey condominium residence proposed for upper Fort Street's former Victoria Truth Centre lands. The building is part of a 94-unit residential community envisioned for the 1200-block of Fort Street east of downtown Victoria.

 

Community feedback helps refine 94-unit upper Fort Street residential project

http://victoria.citi...ential-project/

 

Abstract Developments has resubmitted plans to the City of Victoria for a multi-phased residential community situated along the upper Fort Street corridor, Citified has learned.

 
Planned for a 1.94-acre lot at 1201 Fort Street and extending to the 1000-block of Pentrelew Place are two condominium residences and three sets of townhomes totalling 94-units.
 
Developer Mike Miller says the latest design incarnation, based on feedback generated through a series of public engagement sessions and council's comments, has improved upon the earlier proposal while gaining support from nearby residents.
 
“The response from the community and the Rockland Neighbourhood Association has been tremendously helpful. Our planning efforts, and our current concept before the City, are a reflection of the commitment residents have shown to this project and one that has generated a growing volume of positive feedback,” Miller said. [Full article]

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:42 PM

Design-wise, tri-panel bay windows now accentuate townhome frontages while Rockland-inspired brick veneer cladding and lower level cornice detailing reflect the historic neighbourhood’s stately heritage homes.

 

I don't think of brick when I picture Rockland, so is this just a "heritage-inspired brick veneer?" Hopefully the reduced height of Building B will improve views to the Sooke Foothills.


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#51 mbjj

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:53 PM

The house on the corner of Rockland and Moss is not an absolutely new construction. There used to be a one story older home there (I think it was one story) and I remember when they added all of the new top to it. I think it has the same footprint as the original house that was there.



#52 Mike K.

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:53 PM

I believe the brick on the lowrise condos is more an homage to the Fort Street corridor than it is to Rockland per se, but the townhomes (from what I understand) are the ones that reflect the more traditional motif.


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#53 Nparker

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 11:18 AM

Why do all the NIMBY's who oppose every development claim their neighbouring properties to be "unique"?

With a multi-unit residential development to replace the former Victoria Truth Centre potentially headed toward public hearing, Rockland neighbours worried over the loss of urban forest and neighbourhood scale are planning a protest rally they hope will send a message to city council...Anna Cal lives with her husband, Don, directly across Pentrelew from where the townhomes would be built...[she says] Development is good, but this is a unique, wonderfully located piece of earth.”...

http://www.vicnews.c...ia-development/

 



#54 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 12:21 PM

Why do all the NIMBY's who oppose every development claim their neighbouring properties to be "unique"?

 

Fort Street is already a busy corridor with a number of condo and apartment buildings. 

 

I think the most recent proposal calls for significant retention of trees on the property.


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#55 johnk

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 02:21 PM

Fort Street should have density. If not along arteries, then where? Over to you, NIMBYs.
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#56 Baro

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Posted 13 July 2017 - 03:34 PM

Transit arteries *somewhere else* not near my "unique" neighbourhood.


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#57 Mike K.

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 07:35 AM

Abstract has done a lot to appease concerns from neighbours. Eventually common sense has to prevail, and what's been proposed is not something our council can just shrug off and pretend it doesn't work, for it's molded straight out of the CoV's own guidelines.


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#58 Nparker

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 08:02 AM

...Eventually common sense has to prevail, and what's been proposed is not something our council can just shrug off and pretend it doesn't work...

When did common sense last play a roll in the decisions made by the CoV council?



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Posted 16 July 2017 - 11:37 AM

Rockland is NOT a neighbourhood where brick belongs.  Stone,  rockland is about stone. Stone fences/walls,  stone facades, stone castles.  I'd say the old stone walls of former estates and mansions lining rockland is probably the most defining architectural/material trait of the neighbourhood. Brick is found almost nowhere.

 

This idea that heritage = red brick is infuriating 


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#60 Nparker

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Posted 16 July 2017 - 12:00 PM

...This idea that heritage = red brick is infuriating 

And yet red brick seems to get slapped on just about every new residential development to make it "fit" with the Victoria aesthetic.



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