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UNDER CONSTRUCTION
Westbay Quay
Uses: condo, commercial
Address: Head Street at Lyall Street
Municipality: Esquimalt
Region: Urban core
Storeys: 6
Condo units: 73 (1BR, 2BR, live-work)
Sales status: pre-sales
Westbay Quay is a 73-suite, two and six-storey all-concrete condominium project with a ground floor retail com... (view full profile)
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[Esquimalt] Westbay Quay | Condos, commercial | 6-storeys | Under construction


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#161 aastra

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 02:14 PM

Swallows Landing could have been a fluke. You'd need at least three of them before you could call it a pattern.



#162 Mike K.

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 02:32 PM

Ok fine, let’s add the separate townhome phase of Swallows Landing for good measure.

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#163 E2V

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 04:58 PM

Isn’t David Price, who was the developer of Swallow’s Landing, also involved with Westbay Quay and the Wade? If so I would call it a pretty good track record.



#164 Mike K.

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Posted 08 December 2019 - 06:35 PM

The other half of that partnership developed 10 Dallas Road, a collection of townhomes looking out over the entrance to the Inner Harbour across from Shoal Point.

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#165 Banksy

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 07:30 AM

Definitely not worth the money considering it’s not on the water and that parking lot could easily ( and eventually will) be developed and obstruct views.

Also this developer isn’t a proven luxury developer, I’d take a look at the wade which could end up being a 4 year build for a 4 story building.

Wouldn’t touch this with a ten foot pole

 

Facepalm.

 

Are you that out of touch to not know about the most coveted luxury condos on the harbour built by Westbay Quays developers. Your complaining about the Wade is sour grapes. Give it up already please and move on.



#166 Mike K.

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Posted 18 December 2019 - 09:01 AM

Actual construction has now begun as excavation crews move towards the final phase of site prep. The first wall to begin rising is along the eastern perimeter of the property.

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#167 Mixed365

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Posted 24 December 2019 - 06:27 PM

Definitely not worth the money considering it’s not on the water and that parking lot could easily ( and eventually will) be developed and obstruct views.

Also this developer isn’t a proven luxury developer, I’d take a look at the wade which could end up being a 4 year build for a 4 story building.

Wouldn’t touch this with a ten foot pole

 

Agreed. Not proven in the slightest. 


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#168 Mike K.

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Posted 24 December 2019 - 08:03 PM

I don’t appreciate you guys spreading such misinformation here. The developer behind Westbay built Swallows Landing right next door.

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#169 aastra

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 12:06 PM

How many times have we seen run-of-the-mill projects described as "luxury"? You wouldn't be able to count them all. And yet here we are now debating whether a $5 million unit at Swallows Landing is worthy of the same designation?



#170 Mike K.

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Posted 25 December 2019 - 02:04 PM

$10 million (ok, $7.5 million? But who’s counting...) penthouses built by this developer don’t actually exist, they’re just a figment of our imagination.
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#171 Citified.ca

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Posted 03 January 2020 - 12:36 PM

January 03

 

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#172 Mixed365

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Posted 03 January 2020 - 01:33 PM

Let's take bets. 

Judging by The Wade... this will have a 2024 completion?


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#173 Nparker

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Posted 03 January 2020 - 01:56 PM

I didn't realize this project was going to have an outdoor pool.  :lol:



#174 Mike K.

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Posted 03 January 2020 - 03:45 PM

Let's take bets.

Judging by The Wade... this will have a 2024 completion?

The Wade started construction in April of 2018. Why would Westbay require four years?

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#175 Mixed365

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 04:36 PM

The Wade started construction in April of 2018. Why would Westbay require four years?

 

Was being sarcastic  :farmer:


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#176 CitoyenduMonde

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Posted 09 January 2020 - 03:43 AM

The Wade started construction in April of 2018. Why would Westbay require four years?

 

 

Let's be honest about the Wade. They broke ground for the project on August 19, 2017, not April 2018, with delivery scheduled for sometime between December 2018 and March 2019, i.e. between 16 months and 19 months total construction time. Based upon their most recent estimates, they will have a minimum delay of 12 months over the worst case scenario that was sold to the clients or up to 18 months delay if a buyer had relied on the best case scenario when pre-buying and might eventually be faced with the worst case scenario for actual delivery. Even if you take into account the retaining wall collapse, that could theoretically qualify as a force majeure event (but for which the developer was initially on record as stating that it would NOT delay deliver and then subsequently claimed that it was one of the reason for which the project was delayed), there is no justifiable reason for such a long delay. This does therefore speak very loudly against the ability of the developer to deliver on their promises. I do not however believe that there is any doubts as regards the quality of the product delivered and past projects would seem to indicate that they can deliver a very high quality product. Unfortunately, past history of high quality does not always ensure high quality in the future.



#177 Mike K.

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Posted 09 January 2020 - 08:35 AM

Right, excavation is quite a bit different from construction. Excavation can be mired in significant delays related to soil conditions and each project will face a different set of challenges. In the Wade’s case the soil collapse from the burst pipe delayed excavation and construction could not begin until April the following year.

Big delays are a common occurrence in our market. Black and White, a much smaller wood frame project by one of the most reputable developers in Victoria, completed a year behind schedule. Legato had a tremendously difficult excavation job that delayed it as well. Jukebox was delayed by a lengthy period. It certainly happens, and with the tight job market being what it is it can happen for a whole cascade of reasons.

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#178 shoeflack

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Posted 09 January 2020 - 09:43 AM

Right, excavation is quite a bit different from construction. Excavation can be mired in significant delays related to soil conditions and each project will face a different set of challenges. In the Wade’s case the soil collapse from the burst pipe delayed excavation and construction could not begin until April the following year.

 

But in the case of The Wade, the developer specifically said that the burst pipe caused no delay, so... :confused:



#179 Mike K.

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Posted 09 January 2020 - 09:50 AM

Oh yeah, they certainly did. I would assume they thought they could make up the difference.


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#180 Mixed365

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Posted 09 January 2020 - 01:14 PM

Right, excavation is quite a bit different from construction. Excavation can be mired in significant delays related to soil conditions and each project will face a different set of challenges. In the Wade’s case the soil collapse from the burst pipe delayed excavation and construction could not begin until April the following year.

Big delays are a common occurrence in our market. Black and White, a much smaller wood frame project by one of the most reputable developers in Victoria, completed a year behind schedule. Legato had a tremendously difficult excavation job that delayed it as well. Jukebox was delayed by a lengthy period. It certainly happens, and with the tight job market being what it is it can happen for a whole cascade of reasons.

 

Right...

But you have a Geotechnical Engineer on the team to predict these future delays with soil testing. 


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