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#81 Bernard

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 07:55 AM

not to split hairs but the name of the geographical feature known as mt doug will continue to be called mt doug as it is the canadian geological society that would have to change the name to make it official. this recent announcement was only about the district of saanich changing the name of a *park* within its jurisdiction. incidentally if it was previously "mt doug park", and PKOLS is the name of the mountain, shouldn't it be "PKOLS park" since it's the name of the park, and not the name of the mountain?

Naming of geographic sites in BC is handled by the province. Anyone can apply to the registry of names to have something renamed and it will be considered. IN the late 90s the province, in consultation with the First Nations Summt, renamed everything with ***** or ****** in the name. I was part of that process

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 07:55 AM

There is still the issue of the Queen. I mean, she herself is most directly responsible for our history both as an individual and as a family. I would like to see more effort to extract reconciliation from her and her family. Start with the legal process of signing over crown land to All the people of Canada with management by both the provincial government (now on behalf of the people) and the Nations. Expunging our country’s legal entanglements and symbolic relationship to that family would be true healing and a true condolence ceremony in the tradition of First Nations tradition. We could keep the Governor positions but replace them with First Nations clan mothers or make them elected positions instead of the Queen’s appointees. Remove the Queen as our Military commander and Chief and make that the position of the Prime Minister. Or an elected position such that our political structure can essentially stay intact. That’s the map to true reconciliation in this country. True decolonization. Holding teddy bears for photo ops is not.


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#83 Mike K.

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 07:56 AM

So, you’re saying then that San Francisco, San Diego, Los Angeles and Sacramento will be changed in a few years to something else? Especially expedited because the place names are also Catholic?
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#84 Nparker

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 07:59 AM

As long as we propagate us and them attitudes that divide rather than unite people and their histories, reconciliation will never happen.

#85 dasmo

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:04 AM

I’m not overly offended by name changes. Perhaps it is a path to what I describe above. Which IMO would help us reshape our country to be one of a shared history and allow us to move forward. In The Great Law of Peace that is the essence of the condolence ceremony. To face the past, do something to put it away, move on together and in peace. As it stands it’s like we are still married to our kids abuser and expect changing our names will make it all better….

#86 Mike K.

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:10 AM

What about the naming of locations by the Clovis peoples who came before the First Nations?

And the Clovis were not the first people’s to walk this continent, either, according to researchers.

How far do we go back?

Archaeological evidence of human occupation in South America also dates to the same time as the Clovis-culture materials. This suggests that people were living in the Americas before the Clovis people arrived.

- https://www.national...ans-clovis-news

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#87 Mike K.

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:11 AM

And is the name of Victoria by the First Nations actually Camosun, or Camosack?

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:14 AM

i thought it was the name of the gorge waterway


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#89 Mike K.

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:17 AM

So Ben Isitt wants to rename Victoria to Camosack, because that’s the First Nations’ name for the Gorge Waterway?

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#90 dasmo

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:18 AM

They didn’t draw up borders back then so it’s going to get complicated

#91 Mike K.

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:20 AM

Here’s a link for more, regarding the renaming of Victoria to Camosack: https://www.timescol...eserves-4666926

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#92 Nparker

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:22 AM

They didn’t draw up borders back then so it’s going to get complicated


It doesn't have to get complicated; just leave the names as they are. Put the focus on actual reconciliation rather than virtue signaling.
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#93 dasmo

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:31 AM

It doesn't have to get complicated; just leave the names as they are. Put the focus on actual reconciliation rather than virtue signaling.

I outlined the plan!

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:47 AM

 

 

At some point :Victoria, Sidney, Colwood, and Langford will be renamed.   If Langford were smart it would do it now because it is named from a truly odiious asshole that was run out of town in the early 1860s.  These names will change within the next decade or two.  It will happen because it is right to do so and the tide of history is flowing that way.   There will be a time when keeping Victoria as a name will lead to tourism boycotts.  Better to change now before it gets to that.

 

Really? I did some searching and was not able to find a single case where something like this has happened. Travel boycotts in general don't last, and over something like a name is highly unlikely. Like Mike pointed out, there are more egregious examples of colonial renames, San Francisco for example. So rename it back to Yerba Buena, or some name from Native Americans hundreds of years ago (Ahwaste)? If not, people will boycott travel? Nah, ain't gonna happen. People boycott travel to places for tangible reasons, like the crazy crime/homelessness issues in San Francisco.


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#95 Benezet

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:48 AM

According to the BC Geographical Names Office, Mount Douglas was once known as Cedar Hill.

#96 dasmo

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 08:51 AM

According to the BC Geographical Names Office, Mount Douglas was once known as Cedar Hill.

That's what's known as a pedantic zinger.... 



#97 Benezet

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Posted 19 August 2022 - 09:21 AM

That's what's known as a pedantic zinger....


Just trivia, really, as it was only for a short while.

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Posted 27 November 2022 - 04:06 AM

PKOLES Mount Douglas Conservancy planted trees and unveiled new sites at the park Saturday (Nov. 26) to mark the 30th anniversary of the grant which placed the park under the District of Saanich’s care.

 

The conservancy, formerly known as The Friends of Mount Douglas Park Society, announced the name change as part of the 30th anniversary celebrations of British Columbia granting Mount Douglas Park to the district.

 

“It was 30 years ago this week that Saanich council met to formally accept this grant for care of the park to Saanich,” said Darrell Wick, who works with the conservancy. “As park custodians, we need renewed energy to uphold the park.”

 

 

 

https://www.vicnews....-tree-planting/


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#99 FogPub

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Posted 01 December 2022 - 06:27 PM

Just trivia, really, as it was only for a short while.

Long enough, though, to give us Cedar Hill Rd. and Cedar Hill X Rd.



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Posted 04 February 2023 - 04:06 AM

A redesigned staircase is now greeting visitors to PKOLS (Mount Douglas Park) beach in Saanich, providing safer access to the coastline.

The new stairs at the west approach to the Saanich beach were designed with wood rather than concrete — a more flexible, lower-impact material, the district says.

Construction started last October and recently wrapped up. In late summer 2022, crews closed the stairs to visitors amid public safety concerns sparked by cracking concrete and the lower section falling into the ocean.

https://www.cheknews...aanich-1139385/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 04 February 2023 - 04:06 AM.


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