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#921 RFS

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:12 AM

^You can call it social gerrymandering but really it's been a consistent path towards broadening the pool of people who can participate in a democracy. At first it was only wealthy male landowners and now here we are. A thousand year experiment and counting. Who are we to draw a line and say "no more"? Who gets to make that call and why?


Yeah I think far too many people already vote. Democracy was never meant to be universal and clearly it isn’t working

#922 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:13 AM

how far do you want to take it? maybe every tourist or visitor should have a vote if they step foot here. since they pay tax and use services.

based on the way kids can play video games I’m sure many could drive cars at 10 or 12. but I’m sure most don’t want them to even if they pass the road test. same for voting. we don’t let them do it because kids do dumb things.

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#923 spanky123

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:23 AM

^You can call it social gerrymandering but really it's been a consistent path towards broadening the pool of people who can participate in a democracy. At first it was only wealthy male landowners and now here we are. A thousand year experiment and counting. Who are we to draw a line and say "no more"? Who gets to make that call and why?

 

It is not "broadening" when only one political group is being targeted, it more like being elongated in one direction!. If youths or immigrants tended to lean politically to the right then these proposals would never see the light of day.


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#924 Rob Randall

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:24 AM

I listen to teens with maga hats talking about the libtards and I'm not sure you're correct.


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#925 spanky123

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:30 AM

I listen to teens with maga hats talking about the libtards and I'm not sure you're correct.

 

I wish I could track down the survey done recently in Canada but it reported that 80% of teens self-identified as socialist / green.



#926 Mike K.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:31 AM

To Rob's point, the mainstream media just made a global spectacle of a group of right-wing teens at an anti-abortion rally who did absolutely nothing wrong other than to express their political views peacefully, and they were so savagely shamed and ridiculed by the press that it has tarnished the industry and brought shame upon grown men and woman (namely celebrities and media "personalities") who also took part and used their positions of influence to punish those kids for their opinions.


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#927 rjag

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:33 AM

I listen to teens with maga hats talking about the libtards and I'm not sure you're correct.

 

Yup, and therein lies the problem. 

 

However if this was a legitimate and sincere concern promoted recently by the Greens and now by Municipal Leftists the logical choice would be to have a joint press release where politicians on all sides of the spectrum stand side by side to request a non-partisan citizen assembly study and report on what lowering the voting age would look like and the pro's and cons etc....not seeing that....This is all social activist driven ....kind of like how PR should have been promoted and look how well that went over....this is where we actually find out that social activists represent a very small group as evidenced by the recent PR results


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#928 rjag

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:35 AM

To Rob's point, the mainstream media just made a global spectacle of a group of right-wing teens at an anti-abortion rally who did absolutely nothing wrong other than to express their political views peacefully, and they were so savagely shamed and ridiculed by the press that it has tarnished the industry and brought shame upon grown men and woman (namely celebrities and media "personalities") who also took part and used their positions of influence to punish those kids for their opinions.

 

And now there are major lawsuits against all those self righteous fools https://www.bet.com/...-file-libe.html



#929 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:36 AM

..this is where we actually find out that social activists represent a very small group as evidenced by the recent PR results

 

correct.  we are bound to just see extremes in media and on social media.  the rest is boring.  just like there are only about 11 people on the continent that agree they are "alt-right" but you'd never know that by reading media.  or the southern poverty law center lists.


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#930 Mike K.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 08:37 AM

It proves a point though, doesn't it? That if you're young, and you dare think outside of the confines of a political box created for you, be prepared for repercussions.


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#931 sdwright.vic

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 11:33 AM

I think VW and the rest of us are confused by this sentence:

But head all off you base you x number of years ago experiences on today's law.


Hung over and autocorrect do not mix.

Lets try again.

But hey, go ahead! All off you base you opinions on x number of years ago experience (with citizenship renounce/ denounce) on today's laws around it.

Now for a recovery cervesa!
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#932 Mike K.

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Posted 06 February 2019 - 03:56 PM

That's better :)


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#933 Nparker

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 09:08 AM

More of my tax dollars being well-spent.

 

Victoria will hire two staff members this year and earmark about $250,000 to expedite neighbourhood traffic calming...
 

https://www.timescol...ming-1.23626100

$250,000 would be better spent fixing the streets/sidewalks rather than "calming" the traffic.  :whyme:


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#934 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 09:20 AM

im in favour. I think bulbs placed in the right places with low-maintenance trimmings add character to neighbourhoods too. think about the “grid” steets in fernwood bay fairfield and oakland it would be best to add some.
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#935 rmpeers

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 09:37 AM

More of my tax dollars being well-spent.
$250,000 would be better spent fixing the streets/sidewalks rather than "calming" the traffic. :whyme:


I support the mayor on this but why hire more people? Couldn't existing City Hall staff just figure out where to put the speed bumps and then just install them?

And yes, why not fix the roads at the same time? Although one could argue that some streets are in such bad shape that they already have unintentional traffic-calming in place.
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#936 spanky123

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 09:43 AM

I support the mayor on this but why hire more people? Couldn't existing City Hall staff just figure out where to put the speed bumps and then just install them?

And yes, why not fix the roads at the same time? Although one could argue that some streets are in such bad shape that they already have unintentional traffic-calming in place.


I suspect that once the two people are hired their departmental manager can assign them to whichever projects he/she wants.

#937 Brantastic

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 09:44 AM

I think Helps is right in that speed signage will hardly change peoples' speeds, and that streetscape interventions are needed to accomplish that. 



#938 spanky123

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 09:50 AM

Are pedestrians being hit on side streets or main streets? A speed bump on a side street will do nothing to prevent pedestrians being hit on Cook or Douglas unless the plan is to start restricting traffic there as well.

#939 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 10:16 AM

Are pedestrians being hit on side streets or main streets? A speed bump on a side street will do nothing to prevent pedestrians being hit on Cook or Douglas unless the plan is to start restricting traffic there as well.

 

yes. i'd guess they are mostly being hit at intersections and corners.



#940 rmpeers

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 10:19 AM

Not sure how many pedestrians are getting hit on side streets, but I see people driving way too fast on sidestreets, so I think it's worth a try.

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