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#1 James Bay walker

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 08:18 PM

(search came up with zero when I tried:  carpool, car pool, and car pooling)

 

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Are there any apps commonly being used for carpooling?  [[Do Lyft & Uber apps include carpooling, or are they just competing with taxis through matching riders with drivers who are paid?  I'm thinking an app that gets a group of two or more drivers with shared interests together, and not a fee for service concept.]]

 

I can't help but notice during commuting times that it seems (to me) the average vehicle occupancy hovers around 1.1 people per car (something like every tenth car has two people in it instead of just the driver). 

 

Think of the impact on your twice a day 'Colwood Crawl' commuting time if this average were upped to 2 people per car, or even (gasp!!), 3 people per car.

 

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ps.  Would you be in favour of a toll ($1/mile?) levied on vehicles where only the driver is the occupant on congested roads?  [Administration handled through a photo radar type of setup.]



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Posted 28 November 2018 - 08:48 PM

How come carpooling in a strangers car doesnt require a class 4 or added insurance but ride sharing does? Its just as much of a threat to the taxi cartel



#3 Mike K.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 08:53 PM

How about those services that take you and your car home? There’s a driver driving you back in your own car.

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Posted 28 November 2018 - 08:58 PM

How about those services that take you and your car home? There’s a driver driving you back in your own car.

 

 

I used that once. It's more expensive than a taxi but vital if you want to get you and your car home safely after a few drinks. However, the driver that drove my car home seemed to be a recent immigrant who only recently learned how to drive. It was painful watching him from the second car.

 

Are there any apps commonly being used for carpooling?

 

 

Some big US cities practice "slugging" which seems to be semi-organized mass hitchhiking. It's especially popular in cities with HOV lanes and toll highways that punish single-driver cars with expensive tolls.

 

It's intriguing as it's a system that seems to work without regulation, government oversight or multi million-dollar apps--for now.

 

http://www.slug-lines.com/


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Posted 28 November 2018 - 09:03 PM

Every morning, these commuters meet in park-and-ride lots along the interstate in northern Virginia. They then ride, often in silence, without exchanging so much as first names, obeying rules of etiquette but having no formal organization. No money changes hands, although the motive is hardly altruistic. Each person benefits in pursuit of a selfish goal: For the passenger, it's a free ride; for the driver, a pass to the HOV lane, and both get a faster trip than they would otherwise. Even society reaps rewards, as thousands of cars come off the highway.

 

"To me," marvels Oliphant, a facilities planner with the Navy, "it's an illustration of the ideal for government."

 

 

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 12:04 AM

I noticed that the existing bus lanes that previously allowed car pooling, is now restricted only to Buses. They also changed the bus lanes from 3pm-5pm Mon-Fri to 24 hours. Before you could drive in the bus lanes unless it was between 3-5pm. Now...........buses only.


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#7 Rob Randall

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 07:18 AM

If the purpose of a dedicated lane is getting single passenger cars off the road and reducing congestion, why would they ban carpoolers? Make it minimum three people in a car. How busy is that bus lane?


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#8 Mike K.

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 07:23 AM

Even a minimum of two wouldn’t put a lot more strain on those lanes, to be honest.

I wonder if the bike aspect makes it unworkable as an hov lane?

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#9 tjv

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 07:58 AM

How come carpooling in a strangers car doesnt require a class 4 or added insurance but ride sharing does? Its just as much of a threat to the taxi cartel

Shhhhhh!!! or you might give the NDP some ideas and ban it.  Technically it is a form of ride hailing isn't it?

 

And what about that friend who offers to pay another friend to drive them to the airport/ferry!!  Might have to set up roadblocks on the Pat Bay to confirm licencing and insurance!!! haha


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#10 nagel

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 07:59 AM

Even a minimum of two wouldn’t put a lot more strain on those lanes, to be honest.

I wonder if the bike aspect makes it unworkable as an hov lane?

Lol we aren't using it, but we didn't give up space on Douglas to make a 2 person HOV lane.  It's transit only.



#11 Bingo

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 08:51 AM

Lol we aren't using it, but we didn't give up space on Douglas to make a 2 person HOV lane.  It's transit only.

 

I am already seeing one driver vehicles abusing those HOV lanes.



#12 Mike K.

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Posted 29 November 2018 - 10:13 AM

Lol we aren't using it, but we didn't give up space on Douglas to make a 2 person HOV lane.  It's transit only.

 

What I mean is due to the lane being designated as a bike lane, adding vehicular traffic might complicate the situation and make the lane unsafe for those cyclists who do use it. I see folks now and then in those lanes.


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Posted 29 November 2018 - 11:12 AM

What I mean is due to the lane being designated as a bike lane, adding vehicular traffic might complicate the situation and make the lane unsafe for those cyclists who do use it. I see folks now and then in those lanes.

I have used them.  Last time it was actually was quite nice because it was the middle of the day and there was less buses and less traffic, so I felt quite safe.  I have used them in rush hour and it's terrifying because of the 1 guy who rule breaks and drives 70 down them without turning right.  If it was guaranteed to only be bus drivers I would feel very safe.  

 

Transit really doesnt have much of a choice on them being bike-allowed.  A setup where bikes had to use the middle lane would be very dangerous.



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Posted 29 November 2018 - 03:37 PM

How come carpooling in a strangers car doesnt require a class 4 or added insurance but ride sharing does? Its just as much of a threat to the taxi cartel


Because Passenger Transportation Act.
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Posted 29 November 2018 - 06:04 PM

There was the Jack Bell Foundation that ran ride-sharing services in BC for 

 

The Jack Bell Foundation was founded in 1987 to deliver its first innovative project "Dying with Dignity Advocacy" and the "Living Will". Under the direction of Jack Bell and the Board of Directors, The Foundation has worked on many public interest projects including launching Canada's first and only large-scale organized public ride-sharing fleet program that operated from 1992 - 2017 and also a ridematching carpooling website "Ride-Share.com" from 2005-2018

 

The foundation provided vans to people who would commute together.  One person would be responsible for the van and pick everyone up on the way to work.


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#16 Mike K.

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 05:24 AM

Oh yeah! I vividly remember the Jack Bell vans. They were a very common sight in the 90’s. I can imagine insurance and litigation issues put an end to that.

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#17 tjv

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 06:26 AM

that brings back memories, I completely forgot about the Jack Bell vans

 

Now as I recall a passenger had to pay a monthly fee to use that service, so what is the difference between Uber and that?  Why can those ridesharing services, and that's what they are, operate with impunity, dangerously driving thru our streets (yes I'm being sarcastic) and Uber can't



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Posted 30 November 2018 - 08:25 AM

If the purpose of a dedicated lane is getting single passenger cars off the road and reducing congestion, why would they ban carpoolers? Make it minimum three people in a car. How busy is that bus lane?

 

The purpose is to get all cars off of the road!


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#19 James Bay walker

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 01:56 PM

 

How come carpooling in a strangers car doesnt require a class 4 or added insurance but ride sharing does? Its just as much of a threat to the taxi cartel

 
From an insurance/licencing viewpoint, it's seen as "non-commercial" (between friends / acquaintances).

Though to be picky, it's really a barter (as you're trading off a ride with someone for giving them a ride at a future point).

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Posted 02 December 2018 - 02:35 PM

(search came up with zero when I tried:  carpool, car pool, and car pooling)

 

https://greenlivingi...eshare-in-2015/

 

Are there any apps commonly being used for carpooling?  [[Do Lyft & Uber apps include carpooling, or are they just competing with taxis through matching riders with drivers who are paid?  I'm thinking an app that gets a group of two or more drivers with shared interests together, and not a fee for service concept.]]

 

I can't help but notice during commuting times that it seems (to me) the average vehicle occupancy hovers around 1.1 people per car (something like every tenth car has two people in it instead of just the driver). 

 

Think of the impact on your twice a day 'Colwood Crawl' commuting time if this average were upped to 2 people per car, or even (gasp!!), 3 people per car.

 

jbw

 

ps.  Would you be in favour of a toll ($1/mile?) levied on vehicles where only the driver is the occupant on congested roads?  [Administration handled through a photo radar type of setup.]

 

Uber (and I presume Lyft) has a carpool option "Uber Pool." Of course possessing this knowledge in Victoria is about as helpful as knowing the closing time of Square Diner in Tribeca. 



 



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