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#1 DustMagnet

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 09:16 AM

I didn't know exactly where to post this so I followed the existing template.

 

https://www.vicnews....n-intersection/

 

Is this headline a rhetorical question?  I don't think lack of knowledge is a problem (except maybe that the countdown is only for those already in the crosswalk, not an indication that you should sprint)...



#2 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 09:28 AM

at some future point the countdown will be removed when it’s determined people use it to gauge whether to start.

#3 DustMagnet

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Posted 15 January 2019 - 10:04 AM

^^ But it's also useful for drivers to indicate how stale the green is.  I guess that could also be used as a time-to-gun-it indicator...


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#4 G-Man

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 06:43 AM

That is insane. Makes me want to remove them.

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#5 nagel

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:13 AM

At Tillicum on the Galloping Goose we have these new signs and counters.  The counters start at 30, then after they get to zero, there is a good 20 seconds before the light actually goes yellow.  And they wonder why everyone ignores them.  Technically on a bike we need to follow these, so for a crossing that takes 4 seconds we should watch the green light for ~50 seconds, then wait for an entire new phase.  Asinine.



#6 nagel

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:14 AM

I should point out we actually asked them specifically to not do this before they installed them too.  That's ok, it's only all our money being wasted when we eventually convince them to retrofit.



#7 Nparker

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:35 AM

...That's ok, it's only all our money being wasted when we eventually convince them to retrofit.

Oh the irony.


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#8 Bob Fugger

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:42 AM

Oh the irony.

 

HAHAHA, no $hit!  After millions in cost overruns for these ridiculous bi-directional bike lanes and exclusive bike/bus lanes, suddenly bike activist guy has discovered fiscal responsibility.

 

I wonder if poinsettias also ruffle his sensibilities re: fiscal responsibility towards the public purse.  :banana:

 

EDIT: to add dancing banana


Edited by Bob Fugger, 16 January 2019 - 08:53 AM.


#9 nagel

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:52 AM

/boring.  Read the Canadian engineering design manuals.  There's nothing absurd about protected bike lanes.  They're actually the recommended design in urban areas.  Doubling down, it's a waste of money to NOT put them in on redesigns and new roads because it just means they'll need to be added later to provide connected networks.  Looking at you Langford and Esquimalt.


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#10 shoeflack

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:52 AM

This thread is how many days old and it's already managed to be stung by the world-renowned VV anti-bike crew. That's gotta be some kind of record.


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#11 nagel

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:54 AM

This thread is how many days old and it's already managed to be stung by the world-renowned VV anti-bike crew. That's gotta be some kind of record.

It is possibly the worst named thread on VV though and there are a lot of bad titles.



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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:58 AM

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If you read above, it was a bike advocate that brought bikes into this thread first.

"The world-renowned VV anti-bike crew" just responded in kind.
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#13 sdwright.vic

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:59 AM

Thread titles are made by those that open said thread. In this case I believe DustMagnet?
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#14 shoeflack

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 09:01 AM


If you read above, it was a bike advocate that brought bikes into this thread first.

"The world-renowned VV anti-bike crew" just responded in kind.

 

So in a thread about traffic light timers, the bike advocate talked about traffic light timers, and then got slapped for being a hypocrite about money and bike lanes.

 

Ya, he started it for sure.



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Posted 16 January 2019 - 09:22 AM

At Tillicum on the Galloping Goose we have these new signs and counters.  The counters start at 30, then after they get to zero, there is a good 20 seconds before the light actually goes yellow.  And they wonder why everyone ignores them.  Technically on a bike we need to follow these, so for a crossing that takes 4 seconds we should watch the green light for ~50 seconds, then wait for an entire new phase.  Asinine.

Ah, as a driver, I'm very familiar with this pain ... sitting at the endless red lights in Victoria, waiting for them to turn green, while there's no traffic anywhere and worse, the light turned red just as you approached for no discernible reason other than to mess with you.

 

Glad to see this is trickling down to our multi-modal traffic models.


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#16 DustMagnet

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:43 AM

It is possibly the worst named thread on VV though and there are a lot of bad titles.

I just used the existing template, so if it's terrible I'm gonna have to blame user "http" back in 2008.

 

https://vibrantvicto...ts-in-victoria/



#17 nagel

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:56 AM

Ah, as a driver, I'm very familiar with this pain ... sitting at the endless red lights in Victoria, waiting for them to turn green, while there's no traffic anywhere and worse, the light turned red just as you approached for no discernible reason other than to mess with you.

 

Glad to see this is trickling down to our multi-modal traffic models.

You mean as a driver you're used to actually having a traffic signal designed for you, instead of being bastardized as a pedestrian when you're clearly not?  You're used to waiting at a green light because you're not allowed to proceed because of a rule that actually applies to another mode, but if you took a slightly more dangerous trajectory you would be legally allowed to proceed?  You're used to one government agency tell you they cannot use the actual solution when 3 other government agencies are using it on the exact same route?



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Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:08 PM

/boring. Read the Canadian engineering design manuals. There's nothing absurd about protected bike lanes. They're actually the recommended design in urban areas. Doubling down, it's a waste of money to NOT put them in on redesigns and new roads because it just means they'll need to be added later to provide connected networks. Looking at you Langford and Esquimalt.


I will attempt one more time to convey that I think protected bike lanes are great. I suspect a fair number of the other rabid bike haters on here share this view. The design of Victoria's bike lanes specifically has design aspects that are somewhat absurd.

Anyway, back to pedestrians. I agree that most probably DO know the rules but many can't be bothered to follow them. It is maddening to see a light about to turn red and some bozo decides to start shuffling into the crossing, appearing completely oblivious.

#19 Nparker

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Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:15 PM

...It is maddening to see a light about to turn red and some bozo decides to start shuffling into the crossing, appearing completely oblivious.

Reminds me of all the drivers that speed up to get through an amber light:whyme:


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Posted 16 January 2019 - 12:17 PM

Come on NParker, yellow means speed up, not do not proceed unless already in the intersection. πŸ™„
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