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#8881 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 18 October 2020 - 12:37 PM

Quebec reported 1,094 new cases and six deaths on Sunday.

The province is currently more than halfway through a 28-day period of restrictions on social gatherings in three regions, including Montreal and Quebec City. Bars and restaurant dining rooms have been closed, along with movie theatres and gyms.

 

Ontario announced 658 new infections and five deaths.

Tighter COVID-19 restrictions come into effect in York Region, north of Toronto, starting Monday, when movie theatres, gyms and indoor dining rooms will have to close for 28 days. The region joins Ottawa, Peel Region and Toronto in reverting to a modified version of Stage 2 measures.

 

Manitoba said on Sunday two more people have died and there are 44 new cases in the province.

Starting Monday, retailers in Winnipeg and surrounding communities will have their occupancy limited to 50 per cent. Gatherings will be capped at just five people. In addition, casinos and bars will be forced to close under measures that will last for at least two weeks.

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Posted 18 October 2020 - 02:45 PM

Goal in Canada is to reduce COVID-19 to 'manageable levels,' says Dr. Theresa Tam

 

"Our challenge now and going forward is to remain united in our efforts to get all of Canada back on a 'slow burn,"' Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada's chief public health officer, said Sunday in a statement.

 

"Our goal is to reduce cases of COVID-19 infection to manageable levels. But public health cannot do this alone. Everyone is needed on the front lines, from essential workers to volunteers to businesses, workplaces, and everyday citizens across Canada."

 

Tam said individuals "can go the extra mile" by downloading the COVID Alert contact-tracing app or "sharing credible information" on COVID-19 risks and prevention measures via social media.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...ct-18-1.5767038

 

 

and of course neither her statement nor the article say what those levels are.


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Posted 18 October 2020 - 06:02 PM

That’s the problem. There are no parameters for this ending. There is no oversight or checks and balances at all. Why are we still in a state of emergency here again? Two weeks to flatten the curve has turned into two years. What’s next? Two decades?
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Posted 19 October 2020 - 05:28 AM

If experts don't know why countries are having wildly different coronavirus outcomes -- and they do NOT know why -- why are we confidently attributing those different outcomes to our leaders?



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Posted 19 October 2020 - 05:59 AM

If experts don't know why countries are having wildly different coronavirus outcomes -- and they do NOT know why -- why are we confidently attributing those different outcomes to our leaders?

 

See this:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=ltjBT_TuUVA



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Posted 19 October 2020 - 06:55 AM

Tam said individuals "can go the extra mile" by downloading the COVID Alert contact-tracing app or "sharing credible information" on COVID-19 risks and prevention measures via social media.

 

 

You mean the app that BC refuses to adopt? Refusing to support the tracing app, refusing to provide adequate testing, it sure looks like the NDP doesn't want folks to know the real number of people infected during the campaign.



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Posted 19 October 2020 - 06:56 AM

That’s the problem. There are no parameters for this ending. There is no oversight or checks and balances at all. Why are we still in a state of emergency here again? Two weeks to flatten the curve has turned into two years. What’s next? Two decades?

 

Why would any party want to give up control if they don't have to?



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Posted 19 October 2020 - 07:33 AM

New research by two of Canada's most credible analytic agencies appears to prove that critics — who have complained that inflation data has been distorted by COVID-19 both here and in the U.S. — actually got it right.

The concern, expressed by credible financial publications, is that the pandemic has altered the selection of things people buy while the official "basket" of goods and services has not shifted. As the Wall Street Journal reported last month, "Inflation Is Already Here—For the Stuff You Actually Want to Buy."

The research by Statistics Canada and the Bank of Canada, covering the months of March, April and May, has shown that the COVID-19 outbreak really did shift Canadian spending patterns in a way that no longer reflected the consumer price index (CPI) basket of goods, which is only adjusted every two years.

https://www.cbc.ca/n...id-19-1.5765625
 
“If people aren’t prepared to live by the rules in a civil society, they don’t have to participate,” he said. “If you don’t want to take a B.C. ferry, get a water taxi, buy a boat, but do not put people at risk because you don’t believe that COVID-19 exists. It does, hundreds of people have died in British Columbia … and I’m personally not prepared to accept people disregarding facts and science.”
https://www.nanaimob...on-b-c-ferries/

Fraser Health reports new COVID-19 outbreaks at care home and meat packing facility
https://www.cbc.ca/n...ility-1.5767336
 

Initial findings from a study looking at the longer-term impact of COVID-19 has found that a large proportion COVID-19 patients discharged from hospital were still experiencing symptoms of breathlessness, fatigue, anxiety and depression two to three months after contracting the virus.

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The study took 58 patients with moderate to severe laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, who had been admitted for treatment at the Oxford University Hospitals (OUH) NHS Foundation Trust between March and May 2020. They also recruited 30 uninfected controls from the community, group-matched for age, sex, body mass index and risk factors such as smoking, diabetes and hypertension.

The participants underwent magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of their brain, lungs, heart, liver and kidneys; spirometry to test their lung function; a six-minute walk test; cardiopulmonary exercise test (CPET), as well as assessments of their quality of life, cognitive and mental health.

The C-MORE study found that two to three months after the onset of the disease, 64% of patients experienced persistent breathlessness and 55% complained of significant fatigue.

https://medicalxpres...d-revealed.html
 

A coronavirus swab has broken off into a woman’s lung at a hospital.

It was found in one of the 51-year-old patient’s lobar bronchi during a test for Covid-19 at a trust in Leicester.
 
She had a tracheostomy – an opening made at the front of the neck – following a medical procedure.

Part of the swab stylet broke off and fell through the trachesostomy site, the report, which has been published in the BMJ medical journal, said.

It has since been removed from the woman’s body.
 
“The above case highlights the potential dangers of taking a mucosal swab from a trachesotomy site,” the report’s authors said.

https://www.independ...r-b1071349.html
 

From factory to syringe, the world's most promising coronavirus vaccine candidates need nonstop sterile refrigeration to work.

But despite great strides in equipping developing countries to maintain the vaccine "cold chain," nearly 3 billion of the world's 7.8 billion people live in places with insufficient temperature-controlled storage for an immunization campaign to bring COVID-19 under control.

The result: Poor people around the world are likely to be the last to emerge from the pandemic. The cold chain hurdle is just the are not equipped for large-scale testing.

https://medicalxpres...-3b-people.html

Preliminary results show Chinese COVID-19 vaccine safe: The Lancet
http://www.ecns.cn/n...ys6709764.shtml

COVID-19 vaccine: UNICEF to stockpile more than half a billion syringes by year’s end
https://news.un.org/...2020/10/1075682
 

According to the latest Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report released by the CDC, death rates from COVID-19 increased in Hispanic populations during the summer months, while death rates among Black, white, Asian, and all other ethnic groups decreased.
 
The report examined COVID-19—associated deaths in all 50 states reported to the National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) for the period of May 1-August 31, 2020. It found that while the overall percentage of white people who died from COVID-19 decreased from 56.9% to 51.5%, and the percentage deaths of Black people decreased from 20.3% to 17.4%, the percentage of deaths from people of Hispanic origin increased from 16.3% to 26.4%. As the study notes, while the majority of people who died from COVID-19 were white, both Blacks and Hispanics were disproportionately affected:
 

Although a small decrease (2.9 percentage points between May and August) in decedents who were Black was observed, Black persons still accounted for 18.7% of overall deaths despite representing just 12.5% of the U.S. population. Similarly, Hispanic persons were disproportionately represented among decedents: 24.2% of decedents were Hispanic compared with 18.5% of the U.S. population. In addition, the percentage of decedents who were Hispanic increased 10.1 percentage points from May through August. Whereas Hispanic persons accounted for 14% of COVID-19–associated deaths in the United States during February 12–May 18, 2020, that percentage increased to approximately 25% in August.

 

https://www.fastcomp...ase-this-summer
 

Two weeks since exiting a hospital after being pumped with experimental drugs, Trump is attempting to regain a carefully cultivated persona of the businessman-turned-politician who can travel more than anyone, work (or tweet) at all hours and deliver roaring rally speeches for more than 90 minutes on his feet.
 
It’s an image of vitality and stamina Trump has promoted throughout his real estate career, his reality show and his presidency, suddenly upended by his Covid-19 diagnosis in the final month of the 2020 race. Now, in the middle of a once-in-a-century pandemic and searing recession, Trump is closing out his campaign with this attitude of fighting, dominance and aggression rather than empathy and compassion many undecided voters may want in a moment of national uncertainty.

“He sees his ability to make calls late at night, function on little sleep and work no matter where he is as part of his appeal,” said one White House official. Covid “threatened to change that projected image.”
 
*snip*
 
Now, Trump’s post-Covid macho man routine could become a political liability as cases rise this fall across the nation.
 
“When he said, ‘Don’t let the virus dominate your life,’ I heard a million epidemiologists cry out in terror,” said Jeremy Faust, an emergency physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston and an instructor at Harvard Medical School. “The fact that when Trump recovered, it was all about him beating the virus and not about, ‘I went through this ordeal and here is what we can do to stay safe’ — that is a terrible disservice. As a president, you have the opportunity to educate people every day.”
 
*snip*
 
Unlike the first lady, the president did not use his Covid-19 diagnosis to connect with a broader swath of Americans or speak to their plight in navigating health care during a pandemic.
 
“What Trump most fears and denies is weakness,” said Tony Schwartz, the author who ghost-wrote “Trump: The Art of the Deal” and just published a memoir titled “Dealing with the Devil: My Mother, Trump and Me.” “I can only imagine he found it virtually intolerable to be in a hospital. ‘I am not a sick person, ever’ is how he sees himself.”
 
“He has always defined every outcome as a victory even when it wasn’t,” Schwartz added, saying half of the business transactions mentioned in “The Art of the Deal” actually were failures. “Trump’s advantage in promoting himself is that a victory is a victory, but he also declares victory in defeat.”

https://www.politico...al-brand-430096

Poland turning National Stadium into COVID-19 field hospital
https://medicalxpres...ovid-field.html
 

The Government's Test and Trace system has failed to reach nearly a quarter of a million close contacts of people who have tested positive for coronavirus, new analysis has found.

Private firms Serco and Sitel failed to get in touch with 245,481 contacts in England either online or from call centres over four months - missing nearly 40 per cent of contacts, the figures show.

SAGE has warned the system needs to call at least 80 per cent of all contacts and ensure they self-isolate, in order to stop the spread of infection.

https://www.dailymai...e-contacts.html
 

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Norwegian health authorities have detected a new mutation of the coronavirus with a higher transmission capacity in the central municipality of Trondheim, local chief physician Tove Rosstad told the NRK public broadcaster on Monday.
 

"We don't know where the virus came from. No such kinds of the virus have ever been seen in Norway before. We also searched international databases but did not find this kind there either", Rosstad told the broadcaster.


According to the official, the Norwegian health authorities concluded that the virus mutated after it began behaving differently and infecting people faster than before. Rosstad believes that the number of new cases will only grow moving forward, as stated in the report.

 

https://sputniknews....ion-properties/

China's economy accelerates as virus recovery gains strength
Retail spending rebounded to above pre-virus levels for the 1st time
https://www.cbc.ca/n...onomy-1.5767499
 

SINGAPORE: A Chinese couple on trial for obstructing COVID-19 contact tracing efforts will not be allowed to return to China before the trial resumes in January, after a High court review of a district judge's decision granting them permission to leave Singapore.
 
Justice Vincent Hoong on Monday (Oct 19) agreed with the prosecution's application to overturn the decision by District Judge Ng Peng Hong.
 
Judge Ng had granted the application on Oct 9 for Hu Jun, 39, and his wife Shi Sha, 37 to leave Singapore for China and to return in January before the trial resumes.
 
Judge Ng had increased bail by S$80,000 each and imposed conditions such as providing their travel details to their investigating officer.

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Hu and Shi are accused of obstructing contact tracing efforts by health authorities by omitting information about their whereabouts.

If convicted of the offences, they face penalties of up to six months' jail, a maximum S$10,000 fine or both, for each charge.

https://www.channeln...review-13312498
 

Has the coronavirus pandemic already peaked in India? And can the spread of the virus be controlled by early next year?
 
A group of India's top scientists believe so. Their latest mathematical model suggests India passed its peak of reported infections in September and the pandemic can be controlled by February next year. All such models assume the obvious: people will wear masks, avoid large gatherings, maintain social distancing and wash hands.

India has recorded some 7.5 million Covid-19 cases and more than 114,000 deaths so far. It has a sixth of the world's population and a sixth of reported cases. However, India accounts for only 10% of the world's deaths from the virus. Its case fatality rate or CFR, which measures deaths among Covid-19 patients, is less than 2% - among the lowest in the world.

India hit a record peak in the middle of September when it reported more than a million active cases. Since then the caseload has been steadily declining. Last week, India reported an average of 62,000 cases and 784 deaths every day. Daily deaths have also been falling in most states. Testing has remained consistent - an average of more than a million samples were tested every day last week.


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https://www.bbc.com/...-india-54596707



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Posted 19 October 2020 - 08:26 AM

I was at a restaurant that unbeknownst to me required all patrons to wear a mask when not seated. I left my mask in the truck. The hostess said no worries, please consider having a mask next time we see you, and we look forward to seeing you again. Then she sat us and all was good. That’s the 5/5 response.

 

Since you'd have to take your mask off to eat anyways, it makes sense that they were more flexible.  

  

If Bolen Books let unmasked customers complete their purchase during their mask mandatory hours, then that would negate the point of having masks mandatory at all.  There could be immunocompromised people or their family members that are shopping there and that expect the policy to be enforced.   

 

A business has a right to enforce their policies, and customers can choose where to spend their money.   If don't agree with a store's return policy, for example, I'll just shop somewhere else.  I don't demand that they make an exception for me just because I don't agree with it.  Why should it be different with masks? 



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Posted 19 October 2020 - 08:46 AM

No, it wouldn’t negate their mask policy.

BC Transit has a mask policy but they know it’s not worth an altercation to enforce it.

The point I made is 99% of people will respect the policy. But it’s the 1% who won’t. The way you deal with them is to serve them, and take the opportunity to remind them of your rules. Instead what would have been a quick purchase turned into a lengthy fracas with face to face, agitated and tense dialogue.

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 08:48 AM

^ ^ why would your bring your immunocompromised family member to a bookstore?



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Posted 19 October 2020 - 08:50 AM

"Since you'd have to take your mask off to eat anyways, it makes sense that they were more flexible."

So why wear one at all? Or does the virus respect that you need to eat your meal?

 

"If Bolen Books let unmasked customers complete their purchase during their mask mandatory hours, then that would negate the point of having masks mandatory at all.  There could be immunocompromised people or their family members that are shopping there and that expect the policy to be enforced."  

I guess the virus also follows company policy too?

 

"A business has a right to enforce their policies, and customers can choose where to spend their money.   If don't agree with a store's return policy, for example, I'll just shop somewhere else.  I don't demand that they make an exception for me just because I don't agree with it.  Why should it be different with masks?" 

Because it's not just a mask. It's a slippery slope as they say. 

This started with two weeks to flatten the curve and it keeps escalating and escalating. 


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Posted 19 October 2020 - 09:11 AM

We now need to "smash the curve" and even less freedom is needed if we are to be free again.  :badpc:

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 09:26 AM

some epictetus just for dasmo
 

Will you ever come to the realization of who you are, what you have been born for and the purpose for which the gift of vision was made in our case?
 
'But difficult and disagreeable things happen in life.' Well, aren't difficulties found at Olympia? Don't you get hot? And crowded? Isn't bathing a problem? Don't you get soaked through in your seats when it rains? Don't you finally get sick of the noise, the shouting and the other irritations? I can only suppose that you weigh all those negatives against the worth of the show, and choose, in the end, to be patient and put up with it all. Furthermore, you have inner strengths that enable you to bear up with difficulties of every kind. You have been given fortitude, courage and patience. Why should I worry about what happens if I am armed with the virtue of fortitude? Nothing can trouble or upset me, or even seem annoying. Instead of meeting misfortune with groans and tears, I will call upon the faculty especially provided to deal with it.

 

Now that you know all this, come and appreciate the resources you have, and when that is done, say, 'Bring on whatever difficulties you like, Zeus; I have resources and a constitution that you gave me by means of which I can do myself credit whatever happens.'
 
But no. There you sit, worrying that certain events might happen, already upset and in a state about your present circumstances. So then you reproach the gods. What else can come of such weakness except impiety? And yet God has not merely given us strength to tolerate troubles without being humiliated or undone, but, as befitted a king and true father, he has given them to us free from constraint, compulsion and impediment. He has put the whole matter in our control, not even reserving to himself any power to hinder us or stand in our way. And even though you have these powers free and entirely your own, you don't use them, because you still don't realize what you have or where it came from. Instead you sit crying and complaining - some of you blind to your benefactor, and unable to acknowledge his existence; others assailing God with complaints and accusations from sheer meanness of spirit.

 

Passions stem from frustrated desire; so if I am able to shape conditions to suit my wishes, I will do so, but if not, I am ready to maul anyone who stands in my way. People by nature cannot endure being deprived of the good or meeting up with evil. And if, in the end, I can't alter circumstances, or tear to pieces the person who prevents me, then I sit and bawl, abusing everyone I can think of, including Zeus and the other gods. For if they do not look after me, why should I care about them? 'But you will be blasphemous.' Well, what punishment could they devise in that case that would make my situation worse? Remember that, as a rule, unless piety and self-interest can be reconciled, piety cannot be preserved.

 

Faced with external circumstances that we judge to be bad, we cannot help but be frightened and apprehensive. 'Please God,' we say, 'relieve me of my anxiety.' Listen, stupid, you have hands, God gave them to you himself. You might as well get on your knees and pray that your nose won't run. A better idea would be to wipe your nose and forego that prayer. The point is, isn't there anything God gave you for you present problem? You have the gifts of courage, fortitude and endurance. With 'hands' like these, do you still need somebody to help wipe your nose?


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Posted 19 October 2020 - 09:32 AM

I'm not anxious or afraid. Quite the opposite. What are you trying to say with the above? 



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Posted 19 October 2020 - 09:39 AM

No, it wouldn’t negate their mask policy.

BC Transit has a mask policy but they know it’s not worth an altercation to enforce it.

The point I made is 99% of people will respect the policy. But it’s the 1% who won’t. The way you deal with them is to serve them, and take the opportunity to remind them of your rules. Instead what would have been a quick purchase turned into a lengthy fracas with face to face, agitated and tense dialogue.

 

My point is that it is Bolen Book's choice to enforce their policy, just like BC Transit chooses not to enforce it, and it that 1%'s choice to turn it into an altercation.  

 

It's probably leftover trauma from my retail days but in my experience, people who cause a scene are usually placated so then they go on to do that every time they encounter a rule they don't like.  


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Posted 19 October 2020 - 09:56 AM

My point is that it is Bolen Book's choice to enforce their policy, just like BC Transit chooses not to enforce it, and it that 1%'s choice to turn it into an altercation.  

 

It's probably leftover trauma from my retail days but in my experience, people who cause a scene are usually placated so then they go on to do that every time they encounter a rule they don't like.  

Sure but this isn't just a shop rule. Mandating a face covering is a big deal and where it is leading is an even bigger deal. I think everyone involved handled themselves well. It's unfortunate that they all have to be in that situation but none of them have created it themselves. Those shoppers were in there protesting for what they believe is a threat to all our freedoms. They are far from selfish shoppers. Do you think it's easy putting themselves out there like that? Especially when you know you will be raked over the coals in the media? The employees were doing their jobs and were pretty respectful. I think even Bolen books is doing there best having times for those who want to shop without a mask. 



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Posted 19 October 2020 - 09:59 AM

Europe is locking down again, virtually guaranteeing a new recession. It didn’t have to be this way. https://www.theglobe...-new-recession/

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 10:08 AM

I'm not anxious or afraid. Quite the opposite. What are you trying to say with the above?


no anxiety or fear about losing our rights or whatever? wouldn't you feel better if you just kept calm & carried on?

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 11:16 AM

Europe is locking down again, virtually guaranteeing a new recession. It didn’t have to be this way. https://www.theglobe...-new-recession/

 

The hospitalization and mortality rate is about 1/3rd of what it was in the spring. 



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