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#21 aastra

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 12:33 PM

There are the ones right across from Hillside Mall and some more as you cross into the CoV neighbourhoods.



#22 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 12:34 PM

Totally different municipality, dude. We want a plan by Saanich, for Saanich. Of Saanich, even.

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#23 aastra

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 12:36 PM

This is where we get into that ultra-fine parsing of neighbourhood boundaries. The Shelbourne neighbourhoods to the south of McRae's and the Shelbourne neighbourhoods to the north of McRae's are a natural and logical place for apartments, but the Shelbourne neighbourhoods right around McRae's are not.

 

Victorians have never been able to decide whether small apartment buildings are good or bad for the neighbourhoods. When the apartments are new they always seem to be bad. Once they're mature & established they're no longer bad. When they get really old then they become wonderfully good.


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#24 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 12:44 PM

I don’t know. That one up on Mt. Tolmie, is big, old, and probably not liked by many.

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 12:50 PM

This is where we get into that ultra-fine parsing of neighbourhood boundaries. The Shelbourne neighbourhoods to the south of McRae's and the Shelbourne neighbourhoods to the north of McRae's are a natural and logical place for apartments, but the Shelbourne neighbourhoods right around McRae's are not.

Victorians have never been able to decide whether small apartment buildings are good or bad for the neighbourhoods. When the apartments are new they always seem to be bad. Once they're mature & established they're no longer bad. When they get really old then they become wonderfully good.


When it’s built it’s done but don’t confuse that for social license to continue on.

#26 Nparker

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 12:51 PM

I wish the NIMBYs would invest in new script writer.

#27 aastra

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 12:59 PM

 

When it’s built it’s done but don’t confuse that for social license to continue on.

 

File that under "we love it and lowrise apartment living is a quintessential aspect of Victoria living, second only to Montreal in Canada, but we sure don't want more of it."



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Posted 07 May 2022 - 12:59 PM

If we prefer to dismiss the examples provided by the apartments across from Hillside Mall, or on Poplar Avenue, or north of Cedar Hill Cross Road, or anywhere else along the length of Shelbourne, because those examples are so far removed from the McRae's site they're utterly inapplicable, then I'd suggest there might be a wee bit of insincerity tainting the mission to address the housing situation.

 

Anyway, let's compromise and chop the top level off and then everyone should be as happy as Shelburne, Nova Scotia clams, right? To my eye it would actually look better like that.



#29 aastra

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:12 PM

Methinks the official branding for Victoria's housing issues would be incomplete if it doesn't include an image of a weeping crocodile.


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#30 Banksy

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:13 PM

More density has not improved my life. My streets are more clogged I can’t get a doctor there is more crime and now my neighbourbood is being socially re-engineered by angry activists who hate me.

#31 aastra

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:21 PM

So what would you prefer to see? Maybe something more like those newer three-story projects that are along Shelbourne closer to Haultain?



#32 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:24 PM

Methinks the official branding for Victoria's housing issues would be incomplete if it doesn't include an image of a weeping crocodile.


Or that one turtle with the straw in its nose.

#33 Banksy

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:28 PM

Bigger streets more doctors less crime and activist lunatics off my lawn thank you very much. Then we can talk about more density.

#34 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:28 PM

Maybe we can train the criminals to be doctors.

#35 aastra

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:30 PM

Many doctors are already criminals, so there's that.



#36 aastra

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:31 PM

Many doctors are already activist lunatics, so there's that as well.



#37 Mike K.

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:32 PM

But can they build bigger streets?

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#38 aastra

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:32 PM

I feel like we might be closer than we think. Just need to wipe out a lot of houses so we can widen the roads.



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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:33 PM

The parking variance ask is pretty big here. Unless they’re is guidance somewhere suggesting such drastic reductions.

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#40 Mike K.

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Posted 07 May 2022 - 01:42 PM

I just assumed the SVAP would openly welcome this level of height and density. Saanich did, after all, approve a similar building on Quadra at Palmer. Same scenario, but no density intensification plan.

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