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[Citified.ca]

Skyeview Citified profile: https://victoria.cit...ondos/skyeview/

 

Skyeview, a 37-suite condominium now underway along the Old Island Highway in View Royal, is the first attainable homeownership opportunity in Greater Victoria from developer TLA Developments. The company, founded by Canadian Forces veterans, is on a mission to build homes for first-time buyers and families on southern Vancouver Island.

 

Veterans-turned-developers on a mission to build attainable housing in Victoria

https://victoria.cit...ng-in-victoria/

[Citified.ca]

Excavation is well underway.

 

August 10th.

 

 

 

[Citified.ca]

70% sold status for View Royal's Skyeview condo dev a reflection of demand for West Shore pre-sales

https://victoria.cit...hore-pre-sales/

[Citified.ca]

More condominium projects should offer ground floor terraces, which are highly desirable for individuals with pets, and families with small children.

 

Pet and child-friendly, ground floor terrace suite offered as final pre-sale at View Royal’s Skyeview condominium

https://victoria.cit...ew-condominium/

 

Here is an aerial of the project site:

 

[Nparker]

This photo proves there is still an abundance of available land, relatively close to the core, for "gentle density" (low-rise condos, townhouses etc.). There is no need for high-rises in Fairfield. It's all a matter of political will.

[Mike K.]

Certainly plenty of opportunities remain to develop out thoroughfares. We don't need to be labelling single-family-housing racist to house more people.

[m3m]

This photo proves there is still an abundance of available land, relatively close to the core, for "gentle density" (low-rise condos, townhouses etc.). There is no need for high-rises in Fairfield. It's all a matter of political will.

 

The neighbours in this area will say "there's no need for high rises here, there's plenty of room in Fairfield"

[Mattjvd]

This photo proves there is still an abundance of available land, relatively close to the core, for "gentle density" (low-rise condos, townhouses etc.). There is no need for high-rises in Fairfield. It's all a matter of political will.

Why not both?

Edited by Mattjvd, 10 January 2022 - 05:54 PM.

[Nparker]

Fairfield is already fully built out.

[Citified.ca]

The final sales campaign is launching now at Skyeview, which reached its 75% sold-out target earlier in the year and wrapped up sales until now.

 

Two-bedroom homes remain, sized from approximately 800 to 900 square feet, at pricing starting in the high $500,000s.

 

At the construction site, off-site framing is being readied for delivery and will start going up soon.

 

View Royal's family and pet-friendly Skyeview condominium launches final sales program

https://victoria.cit...-sales-program/

 

[NinVic]

Not much activity on the site, hasn't change much since that August picture above every time I drive by.  I haven't seen anyone working the last 3 times I drove by (over the past 3 weeks..)

Is all going smoothly?

[aastra]

 

This photo proves there is still an abundance of available land, relatively close to the core, for "gentle density" (low-rise condos, townhouses etc.).

 

No drastic measures are required. If the other municipalities were to adopt "Victoria-style" density even for limited designated areas within their boundaries, it could accommodate thousands of people.

 

Somebody on this board made this point back in September, 2019:
 

 

...if Saanich were to have the same population density as Victoria city, the population of Saanich would be 460,000

...flip it around for further enlightenment: if Victoria city were to have the same population density as Saanich, the population of Victoria city would be less than 25,000

 

People defend Victoria city every day for how nice it is, how comfortable it is, even for how supposedly low-density and slow-paced it is. And yet if Saanich were to adopt Victoria's own comfortable formula it would mean there's room for an additional 345,000 people within the confines of Saanich alone.

 

Too scary? Okay, so slash the goal by half. If Saanich were half as dense as Victoria city, the population of Saanich would be 230,000.

 

Still too scary? Okay, so be super timid and add a mere 25,000 in Saanich, a mere 2,500 in Esquimalt, and a mere 2,500 in Oak Bay.

 

In other words, even if Victorians decide that Victoria city's own model is too intensely urban and too super high-density, and even if Victorians totally chicken out and aim for only a fraction of Victoria city's density... there's still room for many tens of thousands of additional people in the heart of Greater Victoria.

 

[Nparker]

No drastic measures are required. If the other municipalities were to adopt "Victoria-style" density even for limited designated areas within their boundaries, it could accommodate thousands of people.

But as I am sure dasmo will point out, the goal of the "missing middle" plan isn't about the local housing situation so much as a globalist agenda being adopted by a particular council.

[BikeLaneLover]

But as I am sure dasmo will point out, the goal of the "missing middle" plan isn't about the local housing situation so much as a globalist agenda being adopted by a particular council.

 

Can you elaborate for this millenial whose friends are all struggling to find housing start families in BC on how exactly the missing middle plan is a globalist agenda? Correct me if I'm mistaken, but a similar agenda was what produced the legal mandate of single family home zoning over vast swaths of North America in the second half of the 20th century to ensure suburbia took root and forced car dependency on most of the population.

[Mike K.]

Suburbia took root because the middle class happened. People wanted to live better, have land, have space, and not be confined to tight urban neighbourhoods and all of the social issues that come with tight urban neighbourhoods that were the status quo through to the 40s.

The market gave them what they wanted, and small satellite communities (ie suburbs) were more than happy to expand their tax intakes.

Today, people can’t get what they still want (a house), because of urban containment boundaries pushing up real-estate prices, and the concentration of employment in centralized nodes that make suburban living a trade off (live in a house, in the quiet burbs, or live closer to work, in an urban neighbourhood). The problem is, so many want to live in urban areas now, that even condo housing is very expensive. Oops. In comes missing middle, which was originally painted as affordable housing, but has since quietly been rebranded into all sorts of things, expect affordable housing.

Of course, if you’re wealthy, you can still live in a quiet low density urban neighbourhood like Oak Bay, and bike to work when the sun’s out, or take the Jag when it isn’t. Missing middle wants to split those properties into multi-unit housing, but it’ll come at a very high price that brings us right back to square one.

[Mike K.]

Fundamentally, I think the urban experiment has been tremendously successful. So much so, that urban housing is way, way out of reach of most people now. The only solution I can see is a redistributing of employment from urban centres to smaller communities where land is far cheaper, as is the cost of living.

[dasmo]

BikeLaneLover - the missing middle isn’t missing in Victoria. Look around. Does it look like suburbia?

If ever increasing density was the solution then your friends could just go to Vancouver and find an affordable place to start a family today.
There is a lot of good language in the missing middle, we need more affordable housing. We need more family housing.
By Victoria council’s own admission it won’t add affordability and it won’t add much housing at all in the short term as in the next ten years. What it will do is instantly increase property prices because every property is now a development opportunity. It will also remove the democratic rights of community members to have a say in what is built next door.
Fairfield itself is full of “middle” so is James Bay, North Park etc.

Good or bad it’s still a globalist think tank product that is being pushed everywhere regardless of local conditions.
Just google it.

[Nparker]

Can you elaborate for this millenial whose friends are all struggling to find housing start families in BC..

Have you or your millennial friends looked to find housing in the many other more affordable communities in BC or elsewhere in Canada? This might help: https://wealthawesom...live-in-canada/

Trois-Rivières, Québec is pretty much begging for good folks like you.

 

ps: my apologies for further derailing this thread.

[dasmo]

Shoot, look at this thread topic. It’s not about a SFD suburb. I live in View Royal. All I see is middle being built. 🤷🏽

[dkuitu]

Suburbia took root because the middle class happened. 

 

Suburbia at the scale it is today wasn't logistically possible before the invention of the automobile. The automobile made the middle class when suddenly land on the outskirts of town became accessible to the percentage of people who were just on the cusp of being able to afford useful land pre-automobile(the land that is currently suburbia was not useful when it couldn't be accessed easily) In other words the middle class happened because the automobile allowed suburbia to happen.