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#1 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 05:25 AM

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Saanich faces controversy over proposed Cadboro plan
 
Saanich council got an earful at last week’s meeting as Cadboro Bay residents weighed in on proposed housing options under the local area plan at last week’s committee of the whole meeting.
 
Most of the people who addressed council expressed concern about adding density to Cadboro Bay Village—no surprise as nearly half of the 837 people who answered a community survey question about increasing height and density of housing to "meet housing/community objectives" such as affordable housing were "strongly not supportive" of the proposal while another 16% were "not supportive," for a total of 63% against.
 
Opposition to height and skepticism about price
 
About half of survey respondents gave support to three-storey buildings near the UVic Edge and Village Centre areas, and certain four-storeys in those areas. But there was little support for those heights in the Northeastern Village Expansion area and more than 70% opposition to all buildings of six or more storeys in all areas.
 
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Respondents were generally not swayed by promises of affordable or below-market housing being included. Some letter-writers were skeptical that it could be achieved, citing the already high costs of acquiring Cadboro Bay real estate. Some feared that developers would push for height to stay profitable. A frequent sentiment in the public feedback was that the area was quiet and communal, and would be disrupted by development itself or incentives to sell to developers.
 
One individual, who accused council of prioritizing developer profits, was cautioned about the need to maintain a respectful tone while participating in public debate.
 
Councillors say unexpected differences fueled pushback
 
Coun. Colin Plant suggested that the public consternation stemmed from a mismatch between what residents were expecting to see. "What was put out to the public was not necessarily what they envisioned would be put out to the public," he said.
 
Mayor Fred Haynes echoed that sentiment, noting that "what was initially intended as a more modest sort of exercise and exploration has clearly not landed" the way council expected. Some residents specifically said in letters that the earlier plans they had seen were smaller in scale, and said they were revoking support that they had given to those earlier plans.
 
After extended discussion, council voted to support a motion from Coun. Susan Brice to have staff return to the local area plan and make "minor refinements based on feedback received" during the recent public engagement and then bring it back to council for consideration. Couns. Zac de Vries, Ned Taylor, and Rebecca Merserau voted against the motion.
 
Clamour in Cadboro; calm in Cordova
 
Cadboro Bay also experienced controversy earlier this year, as the debate over whether dogs should be lashed on the beach due to migratory birds grew so acrimonious that someone was mailed a dead rodent.
 
The Cadboro Bay Plan is not to be confused with the Cordova Bay Local Area Plan, a guide to the next 20-30 years of growth in Cordova Bay, which was adopted by council earlier this year. That plan keeps the area as a low-rise (i.e. four-storey max) neighbourhood, but will add residential infill and pedestrianize the main strip.
 
Council’s next meeting is September 19.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 August 2022 - 05:26 AM.


#2 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 05:28 AM

It does seem to me to be a bit of an odd area to try for "affordabe" housing.

 

Saanich has lots of area in the Gorge/Burnside area that could see this type of renewal.

 

^ The "Village Expansion" area above is also not very well connected to transit.   Either is the lower slope ("UVic Edge") really. That's a hike up to UVic.

 

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 06:57 AM

It’s never going to be affordable because demand is always going to be sky high the closer you get to UVic.
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Posted 29 August 2022 - 07:00 AM

It’s never going to be affordable because demand is always going to be sky high the closer you get to UVic.

 

There are some areas adjacent to UVic that are not necessarily all that high-end though.

 

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 07:33 AM

Correct. Yet even the dumpster fire places in there are full. Cause UVic.



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Posted 29 August 2022 - 07:38 AM

 

 

Saanich has lots of area in the Gorge/Burnside area that could see this type of renewal.

 

 

 

You would think redevelopment efforts would aim to make less desirable neighbourhoods more like the more desirable neighbourhoods. Instead, it’s usually the opposite...

 

As if there is an agenda at play.


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#7 Mike K.

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 10:34 AM

I suspect that given the demand, and given what tends to happen when kids leave home for the first time, high-end student housing is not a thing.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 10:40 AM

I can't believe that the UVIC elites don't want affordable housing or added density in their neighborhoods.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 11:57 AM

A ton of time, consultation, confrontation, hair splitting, staff work, resident work was done on that Cadboro LAP for years. The residents with a lot of internal dissent and controversy finally accepted an expanded Village centre with 3-4 story commercial/residential buildings in a larger area - a modest increase in density that frankly was a big change for the residents (and more than say Oak Bay tolerates).  The anger was understandable after suddenly council (with De Vries and Ned Taylor pushing) appeared to kibosh it all and look at everything from a totally different direction and send it back for consultation for up to 6-8 story buildings.  They felt blindsided. Even those who favoured some modest increase in density (like myself) were upset and opposed the new plans. It seemed to ignore those years of painstaking work done by the community. So the opposition was not surprising.

 

As far as UVic is concerned, they have tons of surface parking lots to put their own housing in with new underground parking. I am always surprised by the contrast between UBC which uses it's grounds for tons of housing and UVIC which really does not.

 

BTW - I own and rent out multi family housing to students in the Mckenzie/Lambrick area, have property in Caddy Bay and currently live in a 25 story condo tower in Downtown Vancouver so am not against density per se. I do think the residents in CB did work hard on their OCP which should be respected.


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#10 Mike K.

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 08:23 PM

Ned Taylor is leaving politics. I don't understand why he would try to push his own ideas on Saanich residents when he says he's leaving town. It shouldn't be his fight any longer.


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Posted 29 August 2022 - 08:43 PM

UVic can’t really afford it build hard and fast. No idea if there is any possible way to do some PPP stuff for n that realm. Might be something to look at but also might not be feasible with UVic lands.

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Posted 30 August 2022 - 07:09 AM

Ned Taylor is leaving politics. I don't understand why he would try to push his own ideas on Saanich residents when he says he's leaving town. It shouldn't be his fight any longer.


Maybe it was a bit of attempted “legacy building” on his part? I will say I could not have thought of a better way to turn residents against densification than what happened with the Cadboro Bay LAP process.

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#13 Mike K.

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Posted 30 August 2022 - 07:30 AM

Absolutely. You don’t just pull a fast one and expect buy-in.

Taylor’s legacy is saddling Saanich taxpayers with millions of dollars in ‘climate action’ commitments, then leaving town to pursue a career as a pilot. This is what happens when you vote for 18-year-olds. And we want to give 16-year-olds the vote?
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#14 lanforod

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Posted 30 August 2022 - 07:44 AM

It is something that appears based on the Saanich housing strategy, at least Saanich seems to be holding off a bit based on what the CoV is going through: https://www.saanich....nding-plan.html

 

Mike, what 'millions of dollars in climate action' in Saanich are you refering to? Even though they've adopted a plan, which obviously will have costs: https://www.saanich....n-web-v13.0.pdf, it also clearly states in that report as well that inspite of the work being done, actual emissions in Saanich have not fallen since 2007, and have risen by 0.7% per resident (between 2007 and 2016). The biggest shift away from emissions here is the shift to electric vehicles, which is more driven by availability and provincial rebates; it would happen anyways. Saanich can/or already has switch to electric for small engines; I don't see large trucks like the garbage or fire trucks switching before 2030.



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Posted 30 August 2022 - 07:50 AM

“As a result of motions that I brought forward, Saanich is now investing millions of additional dollars annually into our climate action plan and our active transportation plan.”

- https://twitter.com/...quxnE-ix1a_dpJQ

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Posted 30 August 2022 - 07:55 AM

Hmm. what he says there doesn't jive with what actually happened, IMO. Particularly the part that it was due to motions from him! The climate action plan was well underway in planning before he was elected. Active transportation - I bet he's including stuff like the Shelbourne rework. Does it really count?


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Posted 30 August 2022 - 08:00 AM

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#18 Vic2Van

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Posted 31 August 2022 - 11:03 AM

Absolutely. You don’t just pull a fast one and expect buy-in.

Taylor’s legacy is saddling Saanich taxpayers with millions of dollars in ‘climate action’ commitments, then leaving town to pursue a career as a pilot. This is what happens when you vote for 18-year-olds. And we want to give 16-year-olds the vote?

A career as a pilot is an odd choice for a "climate action leader". I assume he will be flying electric planes that are organically grown?


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#19 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 11 January 2024 - 02:49 PM

3 townhouse blocks, 23 condos planned for old Saanich church site

https://www.vicnews....ch-site-7295667

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Posted 11 January 2024 - 02:59 PM

Currently this.

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