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[Mike K.]

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[JohnN]

Posting by Richard Atwell on RITE Plan facebook site:

 

Desjardins, Hamilton & Young on CFAX

 

Here's today's incredible CFAX interview of 12 August with Mayor of Langford Stew Young, Mayor of Esquimalt Barb Desjardins and Mayor of Colwood Carol Hamilton:

http://theriteplan.ca/media/140812_CFAX_Desjardins_Hamilton_Young.m4a

Millions wasted by CRD.

For the $65m spent to date, you could have built the Saanich Peninsula Wastewater Treatment Plant and pipes and pump stations that lead to it...

TWICE!

[Sparky]

Well today is going to be an interesting day with the CRD sewage committee meeting this morning. Today should be a tipping point on at least a couple of contentious topics.

 

I find the rant that Mayor Stew Young was on in the audio clip linked in the previous post somewhat hypocritical. He goes on enthisiastically about how much time and money has been wasted on this project but neglects to add that it was one of his own councillors, Denise Blackwell, that chaired this committee for quite some time, and some would suggest quite poorly.

[JohnN]

Well today is going to be an interesting day with the CRD sewage committee meeting this morning. Today should be a tipping point on at least a couple of contentious points.

 

I find the rant that Mayor Stew Young was on in the audio clip linked in the previous post somewhat hypocritical. He goes on enthisiastically about how much time and money has been wasted on this project but neglects to add that it was one of his own councillors, Denise Blackwell, that chaired this committee for quite some time, and some would suggest quite poorly.

Indeed, as I recall in the past, Stew Young has been enthusiastic about the CRD project years ago. However, Langford is further from CRD sewage core than Colwood and with Colwood currently embracing distributed treatment, Langford is literally out on a limb so might see little choice other than going for distributed too.

 

From being strongly enthusiastic herself several years ago, Blackwell's public performance as CRD sewage chair suggests to me that she has been descending into an abyss of pessimism over her inability to keep the project moving. However, it wasn't her alone who made the critical errors, including the Viewfield sludge plant proposal and back-room upscaling the size of McLoughlin Pt plant. With the move to Seaterra and initiatives by the CRD Sewage Commission crew (such as their hiring Albert Sweetnam, the pro-sewage sludge propaganda, etc)

 

However,  CRD chair Bryson could obviously see her gloomy demeanor in committee and probably would agree with her that it was time for her to leave their chair position.

[JohnN]

Big front-page story today is that business groups see failure of CRD in its inability to strong-arm Esquimalt into plunking the sewage plant at McLoughlin:  http://www.timescolo...ation-1.1310054

[VicHockeyFan]

Wow, Young is really heated here.  And not likely to be seen at any Frank Leonard BBQs this summer.  Or Bryson's.  Or at any BBQs with residents near Haro Woods.

 

We can can him "Stew I-want-my-money-back Young".

 

That was a good listen John, thanks for posting it.

 

OK, watch the fireworks live this morning at the CRD table, here:   http://www.crd.bc.ca...d-meetings-live

[VicHockeyFan]

OK, so they are not sending a flyer, and Esquimalt is off the table.

 

But I'm unclear if this meeting is going to address the next step.

 

What's the next step?

 

Is anyone opposed to placing the plant in north Rock Bay (north of Bay St.)?

 

These two maps are the same scale.

 

 

[G-Man]

I thought the Steel yard offer was a good one.

[Nparker]

I'm OK with Victoria hosting a regional sewage treatment plant as long as I am offered the same bribe as Esquimalt.

[G-Man]

I was thinking the same thing

[JohnN]

CRD says no to Esquimalt sewage mailouts:

http://www.cfax1070....ewage-mail-outs

[JohnN]

OK, so they are not sending a flyer, and Esquimalt is off the table.

 

But I'm unclear if this meeting is going to address the next step.

 

What's the next step?

 

Is anyone opposed to placing the plant in north Rock Bay (north of Bay St.)?

 

These two maps are the same scale.

 

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Schitzer Steel made an offer to lease some of its land for a sewage sludge processing plant. However, in response, CRD said that the land would not be sufficient size for both sewage plant and sludge plant:  http://www.timescolo...-plant-1.332744

 

In general, as a noxious land use, siting a sewage plant and/or sludge plan in an industrial area such as Schintzer Steel seems to fit and the resource recovery might link to other industrial customers that could use the heat energy from a sewage plant. As a high-risk utility, a sewage plant/sludge plant with high electrical consumption, sludge trucks, four anerobic digester stacks and flare stack would be better suited in an industrial area, if not a rural area. 

 

In 2010 or 2011, a CRD triple bottom line comparison of Hartland vs Upper Harbour site for a sludge plant gave a slight edge to the Upper Harbour site. 

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[G-Man]

Sold now lets build the thing.

[JohnN]

SEATERRA DEALT ANOTHER BLOW

Jordan Bateman

Canadian Taxpayers Federation Blog

12 August 2014

It looks like some Capital Regional District communities are wising up to just how invasive – and stupid – it would be to try and overrule a duly-elected government by sending letters to Esquimalt residents pitching them on the Seaterra sewage project. The Times Colonist today reports that no CRD letters have gone out yet, and it appears they likely won’t. Esquimalt, Langford and Colwood have already formally rejected the CRD’s planned mail assault – meaning it can’t hit the needed target of five cities. The T-C, unfortunately, is still reporting the CRD’s flawed numbers.

READ MORE HERE: http://www.taxpayer.com/blog/bc--seaterra-dealt-another-blow

[JohnN]

GEOFF YOUNG ON CFAX

Victoria Councillor and CRD Sewage Committee Chair Geoff Young was on CFAX with Terry Moore at 5:30pm.

http://theriteplan.c...Geoff_Young.m4a

 

Richard Atwell's RITE Plan comments on Young's radio interview:

Geoff Young refuses the believe there could be a cheaper way to build a sewage treatment system in this region (even though all CRD's data is 5 years old and when the construction cost estimates were at 2008 highs).

He maybe right, he maybe wrong. We're not 100% sure at this point but we have a pretty good idea studying what others have done.

Either way, we have to find out the cost because the CRD has never done it but my advice to Young would be to tone down the rhetoric and give yourself some room to be surprised.

 

Young also said, "I believe that requiring the CRD to do things by consensus with the concurrence of every municipality, means that we can't be a real government".

Well, that's a very interesting statement for a couple of reasons...

1) http://www.bcassessment.ca/about/contact/Pages/Capital-GreaterVictoria.aspx

"The CRD is a federation of 13 incorporated municipalities and three electoral areas"

2) http://www.merriam-w...nary/federation

"Federation - an organization that is made by loosely joining together smaller organizations"

So what is the basic problem here? The idea that the CRD should be able to overrule a municipality is merely an attitude and perspective.

The CRD is a federation of that must work cooperatively. It does not have the authority to rezone property belonging to member municipalities but that's the approach it took when it decided early on to rely on the Province to rezone it for them.

The CRD made these plans using staff advice (perhaps even legal advice) that relied upon powers that it didn't have that resided in the Ministry of Environment that they expected the Ministry to invoke.

They bet the farm on this and it all came crashing down when the LWMP guidelines stated, "The two primary objectives for LWMPs are to protect public health and the environment and to properly consult the public." which the CRD ignored at its own peril.

http://www2.gov.bc.c...DF1A1E2D62C862B

Will the staff get a pass on their advice that wasted $49m? That's a pretty big mistake that has cost taxpayers dearly.

Finally, the topic of the CRD's credibility came up towards the end of the show...

Terry Moore:

"So, here's the other thing. Is the CRD losing its overall credibility because of this bickering that's going back and forth and the way we're playing the game here?"

Geoff Young:

"I think it was gutted on May 27th by the letter from the Province. I think that meaningful regional government ceased on that day and we became little more than a debating society doing things by cooperation and consensus".

I disagree.

The CRD is a real government that can make real decisions but lost its way and perhaps fell victim to delusions of grandeur thinking that it had more authority than it really had.

It's staff and some of its politicians got so "drunk" on this sewage project that it forgot that with authority, often comes a higher authority to keep it in check and that's what happened when the Province stepped in by not stepping in.

 

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[JohnN]

Mayor of Esquimalt Barb Desjardins was on CFAX 1070 this morning with Al Ferraby to talk about the cancellation of the CRD bribe flyer: http://theriteplan.c..._Desjardins.m4a

 

Statement from Mayor Desjardins Regarding Siting of Sewage Treatment Plant

August 14, 2014

On CFAX this morning Geoff Young, Chair of the CRD Core Area Liquid Waste Management Committee, gave the impression that a sewage treatment plant would be sited on the proposed Esquimalt Village Plan area beside Municipal Hall in Esquimalt.

In fact, Council has not recommended siting a sewage treatment plant at this location. The Township is exploring options with all participants under the CRD Liquid Waste Management Plan.

When the Cascadia Green Building Council approached the Township to embark on a global “Living Building” design competition for the Esquimalt Village Project, Council supported their initiative.

This will see design teams from around the world submit concepts for a “Living Building” and “Living Neighbourhood” in the heart of Esquimalt. This is a conceptual competition only and, again, Council has not recommended siting a sewage treatment plant in this location.

For more information, please contact:
Mayor Barbara Desjardins
250-883-1944

http://www.esquimalt...ws08141403.aspx

 

 

[JohnN]

Is McLoughlin sewage plant dead? Politicians all over the map

 

So is the sewage plant at McLoughlin Point officially dead? Maybe. Maybe not. It depends whom you ask.

 

READ MORE HERE: http://www.timescolonist.com/is-mcloughlin-sewage-plant-dead-politicians-all-over-the-map-1.1313821

[VicHockeyFan]

So who owns McLoughlin now?  If it's the CRD can we please sell it now and get some money for it?  Some condos would be real nice right there.

[Sparky]

^ The CRD is shopping for a realtor to sell the Viefield property.

[JohnN]

CRD SEWAGE NEWS 17 August: 

click here to read: http://sewagevictoria.blogspot.ca/

 

Audio-Visual News:

- Desjardins on CFAX 11 August

- Desjardins, Hamilton & Young on CFAX

- Alto on CFAX

- GEOFF YOUNG ON CFAX

- Desjardins on CFAX 14 Aug

- Atwell on CFAX 15 Aug

- The RITE Plan's Youtube Channel

 

News stories:

- Sewage mail-out plan down the tube?

- SEATERRA DEALT ANOTHER BLOW

- Statement from Mayor Desjardins Regarding Siting of Sewage Treatment Plant

- Is McLoughlin sewage plant dead? Politicians all over the map

 

​LETTERS:

- Put sewage plant on Royal Roads property (Dalton)

- Sewage controversy reason for amalgamation (Ellegood)

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click here to read: http://sewagevictoria.blogspot.ca/