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[LJ]

They are not homeless, they are workless.

 

As the man in the high tower would say - useless eaters.

[spanky123]

Looks like my question about the PIT has been answered. https://www.iheartra...2019-1.17370061

 

Instead having surveys where people are asked questions about their situation (which we all know is horribly unreliable), we will now rely on data, manufactured by the BC Government, to tell us everything we need to know.

 

Eby says the province previously relied on data from point-in-time counts in 25 communities, but those were known to undercount the number of people who were homeless

 

Problem solved. 

 

I would add that the PIT counts tended to overcount people since folks were paid to answer survey questions and many would just go from surveyor to surveyor to keep getting paid!

Edited by spanky123, 17 March 2022 - 08:24 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

The article says:


Eby says the province previously relied on data from point-in-time counts in 25 communities, but those were known to undercount the number of people who were homeless. The new data will complement the ongoing point-in-time counts, Eby said.

[Mike K.]

So the down on the ground overcounts, are now being labelled by the government as undercounts?

[Mike K.]

Now that being said, the government through BC Housing will know how many people are accessing those units who would otherwise be homeless. So there may be more value/data from that perspective. The PiT may have provided value through canvassing the street community, while not having access to the couch surfing side of the equation.

[Nparker]

So the down on the ground overcounts, are now being labelled by the government as undercounts?

#ndpnewspeak

[Awaiting Juno]

Looks like my question about the PIT has been answered. https://www.iheartra...2019-1.17370061

 

Instead having surveys where people are asked questions about their situation (which we all know is horribly unreliable), we will now rely on data, manufactured by the BC Government, to tell us everything we need to know.

 

Eby says the province previously relied on data from point-in-time counts in 25 communities, but those were known to undercount the number of people who were homeless

 

Problem solved. 

 

I would add that the PIT counts tended to overcount people since folks were paid to answer survey questions and many would just go from surveyor to surveyor to keep getting paid!

 

Not sure this approach tackles the issue in a way that accurately measures the number of people experiencing homelessness. Could see many with No Fixed Address (NFA) not actually being homeless, at least not in the ways that most people imagine. There's a lifestyle trend (VanLife) - that is not "homelessness" per se but rather a portion of the population that chooses to live with NFA as they prefer having a decked out RV to call home rather than paying rent. Further, some would just be a family in transition - people who are living in temporary accommodations while waiting for their permanent residences (ie. home is being built or renovated, occupancy date is a few months away, etc.). Having shelters have users register and reporting those users would likely be a far better measure to use.

[Awaiting Juno]

Note - hospitals record and report use, why not shelters? Why not have the BC services card be used to access those services, and have use of the services reported.

[Victoria Watcher]

We can’t even have shelters regularly repot thrhr occupancy. Don’t expect more cooperation.

[spanky123]

Note - hospitals record and report use, why not shelters? Why not have the BC services card be used to access those services, and have use of the services reported.

 

You mean the shelters that can't seem to be able to EVER report how many available spaces they have?

[Mike K.]

From the province this AM:

 

Homelessness is a significant issue affecting people and communities throughout B.C. In response, the Government of B.C. is investing $633 million in new initiatives aimed at helping prevent and reduce chronic homelessness in the province.

Investments include:

 

$35 million over three years for new and increased supports for young people in government care until the age of 27, including a new financial supplement, a no-limit earnings exemption, help with the cost of housing, improved access to transition workers, enhanced life skills and mental-health programs, and better medical benefits.

$600-per-month rent supplements with integrated health and social supports that will help more than 3,000 people with low incomes access housing in the private market over the next three years.

More than doubling the current number of community integration specialists to help people experiencing homelessness navigate government programs and available supports in communities throughout the province.

$164 million over three years to expand government’s complex-care housing program, to help B.C.’s most vulnerable people with complex health, mental health and substance-use challenges who may need a level of support that goes beyond what the current model of supportive housing can provide.

$264 million over three years for a permanent housing plan to ensure the approximately 3,000 people who were temporarily housed during the COVID-19 pandemic do not return to homelessness.

[Victoria Watcher]

Nothing like keeping people “in government care” until age 27.

[spanky123]

 

$264 million over three years for a permanent housing plan to ensure the approximately 3,000 people who were temporarily housed during the COVID-19 pandemic do not return to homelessness.

 

I see a few more overpriced hotel purchases in the near future!

[Nparker]

...the Government of B.C. is investing $633 million in new initiatives aimed at helping prevent and reduce chronic homelessness in the province....

[spanky123]

Now that being said, the government through BC Housing will know how many people are accessing those units who would otherwise be homeless. So there may be more value/data from that perspective. The PiT may have provided value through canvassing the street community, while not having access to the couch surfing side of the equation.

 

Couch surfers to some extent were captured as they wanted their $5 as well!

 

I think the main difference now is control of the narrative. When the PIT reports were released each time there were people like me who participated in the counts who called BS on assertions that the Government was trying to falsely promote. Now that won't happen because there will be only one source of information and 3rd parties won't be able to challenge it (ie there is no induced demand). 

[Sparky]

The TC ran an article about a modular building being assembled on Albina Street for the homeless.

 

https://www.timescol...um-area-5177155

 

I thought I would swing by and see what it looked like up close. Quite the project.

 

 

 

[Barrrister]

I am sure that the neighbours are thrilled bout the new addition.

[spanky123]

Wonder what the structural integrity will be after the residents start cutting holes in the walls to transit between units and circumvent search warrants.

[Victoria Watcher]

Health-care linked, eviction-free housing coming to Greater Victoria, rest of B.C.

100 complex-care spaces to be created in Capital Region, 500 across B.C. by 2023

https://www.vicnews....ia-rest-of-b-c/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 22 March 2022 - 01:21 PM.

[Nparker]

...These 100 spaces are going to take care of everyone, from the most vulnerable to our small businesses,” she said

But who is going to care of the neighbourhoods into which these housing units are placed?