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[Nparker]

The PiT count only exists to give justification to the poverty industry.

[Victoria Watcher]

Turns out the homeless, who are 99% jobless, and have obviously burned all friends and family bridges, are more mobile than we might be lead to believe!

[Beacon]

This information was difficult to acquire, too, because the data became obfuscated such that respondents were considered locals if they had been here for a short period of time.

 

and why would they leave after coming here?  There isn't a more welcoming place for someone "experiencing" homelessness in Canada.

[Victoria Watcher]

Correct.

Plus they see their peers getting hotel units and in some cases brand new bachelor apartments with daily food service too. They want to be on that track.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 24 July 2024 - 11:11 AM.

[Beacon]

so the correct answer to "solve the crisis here" is not to let them come here in the first place. Since we can't limit mobility within Canada we could:

 

(A) Make other places more inviting, with more services

(B) Create a charge back system, where a city/Province would have an incentive to keep and care for their own folks (like we already have with MSP)

© Make Victoria less inviting, to allow other places to step up and help

 

Otherwise, we can one Supportive Housing Facility after another destroying one after another neighbourhood - those blights don't go away with time, they get worse.

[Mike K.]

All I know is the people in Sooke who arrived when the shelter opened were not locals. Not the ones I spoke with, and they said the others using shelter services were not local, either. The shelter was sold to residents as for local residents.

It’s anecdotal I know, but if these services were for locals to the degree they are described they are, it would be rare to encounter someone from afar, but that’s not the case.

[Matt R.]

Turns out the homeless, who are 99% jobless, and have obviously burned all friends and family bridges, are more mobile than we might be lead to believe!

I know a few losers who I’d happily give a bus ticket to if they’d go away.

[Beacon]

I know a few losers who I’d happily give a bus ticket to if they’d go away.

You see, the trick is to make them want to get on a bus for some reason, then it's considered compassion to pay for someone's bus ticket  #FlipTheScript

[Nparker]

...© Make Victoria less inviting...

This seems like the easiest and least expensive option. Stop virtually every homeless initiative that has been implemented in the past decade, and the problem well likely solve itself in less time than it has taken to reach the dystopia we have today.

[Victoria Watcher]

This seems like the easiest and least expensive option. Stop virtually every homeless initiative that has been implemented in the past decade, and the problem well likely solve itself in less time than it has taken to reach the dystopia we have today.

 

That's how Oak Bay and Esquimalt and mostly Saanich have solved their "home-grown" homelessness problems, they do not have services for them.  Thus they have no/limited homelessness.

[LJ]

The "Don't build it and they won't come" model.

[Love the rock]

All I know is the people in Sooke who arrived when the shelter opened were not locals. Not the ones I spoke with, and they said the others using shelter services were not local, either. The shelter was sold to residents as for local residents.

It’s anecdotal I know, but if these services were for locals to the degree they are described they are, it would be rare to encounter someone from afar, but that’s not the case.

Is there a law that says we have to give non locals free services . I know non residents can collect welfare and disability payment's right away but do we have to give non locals  the basket of free  goodie’s Victoria offers.   Hand out sandwiches and a juice box in a paper bag at door .
This is a serious question. Can we put real residents on the priority list only divide up what’s left .

 I do know in many parts of the states you must have ID to stay in a shelter no ID can’t stay  . Certain people are also given priority they’ve come to the realization they can’t help everyone.

 
 

[Mike K.]

Canada does not allow institutions to discriminate. If you’re a Canadian somewhere, you’re a Canadian everywhere.

Victoria has chosen to become an industry town specializing in homelessness services. It is drawing a lot of people to use the industry’s services, and that’s by design.

[lanforod]

Nah, instead instiutions require themselves to discriminate under the guise of DEI type policies. Or anti-wealth policies. etc. etc.

[Victoria Watcher]

Victoria has chosen to become an industry town specializing in homelessness services. It is drawing a lot of people to use the industry’s services, and that’s by design.

 

Who made these decisions though?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 July 2024 - 07:31 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

California Gov. Gavin Newsom issued an executive order Thursday for the removal of homeless encampments in his state.

 

Newsom’s order would direct state agencies on how to remove the thousands of tents and makeshift shelters across the state that line freeways, clutter shopping center parking lots and fill city parks. The order makes clear that the decision to remove the encampments remains in the hands of local authorities.

 

The guidance comes after a decision by the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this summer allowing cities to enforce bans on sleeping outside in public spaces. The case was the most significant on the issue to come before the high court in decades and comes as cities across the country have wrestled with the politically complicated issue of how to deal with a rising number of people without a permanent place to live and public frustration over related health and safety issues.

 

 

https://apnews.com/a..._source=Twitter

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 July 2024 - 07:54 AM.

[Beacon]

The irony is the Coalition to End Homelessness actually induced more demand here instead of solving homelessness here, in our region.  This is why they failed in their mission to end homelessness by 2016 or whatever date it was they didn't achieve.  Should be a case study for future cities. 

 

Making it taboo to say homelessness is not from here has actually hurt the efforts more than helped as different solutions are required depending on where they are coming from.

[Mike K.]

Who made these decisions though?

 

The voters.

[Nparker]

Who made these decisions though?

The voters.

Sad, but true.  

Victoria voters are either not too bright, gluttons for punishment, or both.

[Love the rock]

Canada does not allow institutions to discriminate. If you’re a Canadian somewhere, you’re a Canadian everywhere.

Victoria has chosen to become an industry town specializing in homelessness services. It is drawing a lot of people to use the industry’s services, and that’s by design.

Ok so places like Our Place can’t give priority to local residents not that they probably wouldn’t anyways . We seem to be stuck in a revolving door going nowhere. Thanks for clarifying.

Edited by Love the rock, 25 July 2024 - 09:12 AM.