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[HB]

When I look at the new bridge from BAYVIEW i think that there should have been rail included on it. Internet Police...relax

 

[Ryan Roberts]

Rail and communicating with Bosa.

 

A few points on rail and Encore: (1) Discussion of rail is relevant here since the potential noise(and possible vibration) impact on many residences in Encore and at other nearby properties can be dramatic.   (2) Depending on the equipment and commitment of planners, noise from the LRT trains can be FAR less of a problem for all residents in the area than unnecessary but LOUD and periodic bell or horn systems at intersections. Note, in the worst case of designers gone mad, bells can be set to start ringing  while the trains are  blocks away from the crossings  and a block away after departing the crossing.  (3) It is my understanding, do not assume I am right, that the entire right of way is owned by various non-private sector corporate entities.

 

I am not looking at alternatives now since, possibly, such a discussion does go beyond our scope--at the moment. Let me just add the view that the developer proposed site is probably optimal for Encore buyers if a rail based commuter line is to be built.

 

In response to an earlier query: Communicating with BOSA seems very difficult since the sales office was closed and final deposits were made.  My  suspicion is that they have  too many projects on-going relative to their current human resources in Vancouver.  

Edited by Ryan Roberts, 01 April 2017 - 10:05 AM.

[HB]

Rail and communicating with Bosa.

 

A few points on rail and Encore: (1) Discussion of rail is relevant here since the potential noise(and possible vibration) impact on many residences in Encore and at other nearby properties can be dramatic. 

Oh please,,,trains coming through that yard are not freight trains screaming through at high speed blasting their horns.

 

This is the end of the line the little train will be crawling through you'll get more vibration and noise from  the Harbour Airplanes coming and going.

 

Laying new rails and ballast will dampen any vibration from trains that will be traveling at about 5kmh

 

Are their histories available pertaining to complaints from Songhees residents  re: trains

Edited by HB, 01 April 2017 - 10:08 AM.

[Nparker]

.... (2) Depending on the equipment and commitment of planners, noise from the LRT trains can be FAR less of a problem for all residents in the area than unnecessary but LOUD and periodic bell or horn systems at intersections. Note, in the worst case of designers gone mad, bells can be set to start ringing  while the trains are  blocks away from the crossings  and a block away after departing the crossing...

I suppose the question needs to be asked then if the rail tracks were laid before or after Encore was proposed.

[Ryan Roberts]

HB...Visit Edmonton or research problems there. These are all actual problems which arose  on both the "southern extension" and the newest "northwest extension".  Note  that I focused on the noise problems at intersections where bell systems are to be used. Original plans in Edmonton for the "south" extension in 2007 called for regular train horns to be used.   The plans were altered only after citizen complaints.Best  not to assume that planners are rational or will live near crossings.  

[VicHockeyFan]

It will have to use the horn to cross Esquimalt Rd.  That's a given.  Beyond there, they might be able to apply for an exemption.

[Nparker]

It will have to use the horn to cross Esquimalt Rd.  That's a given...

I don't get it. Encore will be a mobile building and will employ some sort of sonic device when it decides to relocate? I am surprised this hasn't made bigger headlines.

Or am I in the wrong thread?

[HB]

Well the horn blowing once in a while when it crosses Esquimalt rd should not bother those people living there too much,  its not even close to them and only one side of the building will attract sounds form that side..not a big deal

[Mike K.]

Of course you're also on a rocky outcropping at Encore, which will mitigate all vibrations. Closer to the tracks, however, it might be a different story. I suppose it all comes down to how much is invested into the trackbed.

[VicHockeyFan]

I don't get it. Encore will be a mobile building and will employ some sort of sonic device when it decides to relocate? I am surprised this hasn't made bigger headlines.

Or am I in the wrong thread?

 

This thread is partly about how commuter rail might affect Encore residents.

[HB]

Thats obvious Encore

[Nparker]

This thread is partly about how commuter rail might affect Encore residents.

But these posts would make much more sense in the commuter rail thread since the residents of Encore are far from the only ones affected by potentially restored train service.

[HB]

Who cares where the posts are they are related to each other just enjoy the conversation and don't worry about the finer details life is too short ...we dont need micro management here nor do they need it at the Encore construction site..not trying to railroad you here

[Nparker]

So what's the point of having thread topics at all then?

 

I understand several more pot shops are looking to get licensed by the CoV.

[VicHockeyFan]

But these posts would make much more sense in the commuter rail thread since the residents of Encore are far from the only ones affected by potentially restored train service.

The discussion here is particularly related to the placement of the terminal at the Roundhouse grounds.

So we can allow it.

[Nparker]

The discussion here is particularly related to the placement of the terminal at the Roundhouse grounds.

So we can allow it.

And I can continue to question its relevance to Encore as opposed to numerous other residences adjacent to the Roundhouse, but carry on.

[Ryan Roberts]

Placement of the terminal and the rules governing noise levels at other crossings  are very important to Encore and the livability and value of units there.  The horn would not be blowing "once and a while" at each crossing but twice every hour since trains both come one way and go the other every hour. This may likely occur from 6 AM to 11 PM.  I do not believe that a loud horn should be taken as a given, since this will be a commuter line not a major rail line.  But even loud bells every half hour will have a major impact on quality of life for at least half of the residents of Encore.

 

By the way, all bells  were removed at some downtown crossings in Calgary long ago; they rely on traffic signal systems, flashing warning lights, traffic barrier bars, pedestrian gates. and passive pedestrian protection systems. To my knowledge, which is very comprehensive on this issue, no horns were ever actually used on the Calgary or Edmonton LRT systems.

 

This is not micro-managing construction at Bosa; this is dealing with what should be a major public issue with costly implications--both in terms of value of units and quality of life--for Encore owners.

 

One of the early orders of business for the strata council at Encore may be preparation of  submissions on these issues. In fact, it may be the first serious issue faced by the council after deciding fundamental long term reserve building issues..

 

 

While spokespersons for BOSA and its affiliates may try to understate the seriousness of these issues on the Facebook site or elsewhere, prospective owners should not be easily misled.

[Hotel Mike]

I wonder how many Bayview residents (including Encore) would ever take the train west. Where would they be going? I assume there will be the same location for a station in Langford at Station Street. If you are dropped off there, you would have to take some other means of transportation to get anywhere you are likely to go. I still think it's a great idea though for people coming in from the west. And if it proves to be truly viable, development will occur closer to the tracks.

[HB]

If I want to take a subway from Union Station to Scarborough in Toronto I need to get from my home to the station by whatever means whether it's a bus or a taxi then when I get to Scarborough I may need to hop another bu's to get to my work....if I am going to take a train from prince Rupert to Edmonton same thug

Why is this such a contentious issue ?

[HB]

Sounds like some people think there should be a railroad track in front of every address in the city so it's ultra convenient for those who don't want to take a bus or drive to a station