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#7701 Missed Approach

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Posted 25 May 2024 - 05:28 PM

Kelowna airport YLW .......... moving ahead on what YYJ doesn't have.

 

More food options 

 

More parking ( structure ) 

 

Hotel ( 3 times larger than the one going in at YYJ )

 

Sneek peek at the progress with local media 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=X2iDQXBCyG8

 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=nxPeRPlDyuc



#7702 Nparker

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Posted 25 May 2024 - 05:42 PM

YYJ: the red-headed stepchild of BC airports


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#7703 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 25 May 2024 - 05:48 PM

YYJ has never tried hard. It just is.

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#7704 Nparker

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Posted 25 May 2024 - 05:51 PM

YYJ: not the Avis of airports

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#7705 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 25 May 2024 - 05:55 PM

YYJ: not the Avis of airports
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Car rental Seinfeld:

https://youtu.be/4T2...aWKcvauZC9BmJtI

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 May 2024 - 05:57 PM.

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#7706 Missed Approach

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Posted 26 May 2024 - 09:37 PM

Kelowna airport YLW .......... moving ahead on what YYJ doesn't have.

 

 

Wonder if Ms Brown openly wants to change that, but hasn't really come out and had the media over for tea and shared her vision for the future beyond her poorly attended  AGM



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Posted 27 May 2024 - 11:09 PM

Interesting read 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...study-1.7216100

 

Also interesting to read Flair blames airport fees   ------ wonder how the newer higher airport fees YYJ charges ie, landing, terminal, parking and counter / office space affects Flair issues flying to YYJ. 

Compared to other airport in the same traffic / size.


Edited by Missed Approach, 27 May 2024 - 11:31 PM.


#7708 Missed Approach

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Posted 29 May 2024 - 10:37 PM

Toronto City Airport - Billy Bishop, getting Pre US clearance 

 

https://canadianavia...n-preclearance/

 

Even at the 9th busiest and many US destinations for the business crowd, YYJ still says its cost prohibitive and low passengers numbers. 

 

YQB, Quebec City airport, 12th busiest in Canada stills does not have Pre Clearance either, but is still has double US destinations than YYJ and is closing in on taking 11th place from YYJ. 

Last year YQB was at 1.6 million ( +43% ) and YYJ with 1.7 million ( + 16% )



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Posted 29 May 2024 - 11:39 PM

Wonder if Ms Brown openly wants to change that, but hasn't really come out and had the media over for tea and shared her vision for the future beyond her poorly attended  AGM

 

Was that because it was poorly advertised or because people simply don't care?

 

I haven't looked at their master or strategic plan docs in some time but as I recall in terms of airport improvements the timelines for many of them extended out to 2040 or beyond - is that still the case?

 

I'd hate to think a simple 3-4 level parkade - by which I mean one built very close to the main terminal not built "out there" somewhere in the "great beyond" parking lot # 2, which would make for a crappy walk in a downpour - or a terminal building extension to the east for additional check-ins, is another decade or two in the future......


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Posted 30 May 2024 - 08:48 AM

There's no spot that's more than a 10 minute walk from the terminal, and most are within 5 minutes. If you're required to go to the secondary lot, you pass right by the checkin area so the rest of your party can get out right in front of the terminal with bags etc while you park the card. The standard lot has covered pedestrian walkways.

 

I don't know why there's so much desire to spend $ to build a parking structure. Obviously that $ will come from increased airport fees etc.



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Posted 30 May 2024 - 08:50 AM

It’s not a pleasant walk in winter. Rains with sometimes nasty wind given the flat area around there, and you’re drenched in no time. The parking lots closer to the terminal are universally full during peak travel times so you’re literally walking 500-700 meters in the pouring rain.
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#7712 AllseeingEye

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Posted 30 May 2024 - 09:03 AM

There's no spot that's more than a 10 minute walk from the terminal, and most are within 5 minutes. If you're required to go to the secondary lot, you pass right by the checkin area so the rest of your party can get out right in front of the terminal with bags etc while you park the card. The standard lot has covered pedestrian walkways.

 

I don't know why there's so much desire to spend $ to build a parking structure. Obviously that $ will come from increased airport fees etc.

 

Because its infinitely more efficient, not to mention smarter from a land-use standpoint, to have a single structure/smaller footprint dedicated to the automobile than an ever-expanding asphalt or gravel parking lot out to infinity? What other airport beyond the Spuzzum's or the Cache Creek's of the country does that?

 

And what is it about Victorians that they seem to love great big huge parking lots - you hear this all the time when people moan about Uptown and pine away for that crapulent old Town & Country strip mall which was nothing but a dreck of a development designed principally as an homage to asphalt and the concept of the One Great Big Parking Lot. 


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Posted 30 May 2024 - 09:05 AM

There’s absolutely no need to build an expensive parking structure when you are surrounded by acres of empty land that you can’t build anything else on…

Just add some sheltered walking routes to the far-flung lots and the job is done.
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Posted 30 May 2024 - 09:08 AM

Parking isn't something i would prioritize on the list of stuff to do there. It may need to be on the list, but prioritize? nah.


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Posted 30 May 2024 - 10:02 AM

The Klitsa has serviced the Brentwood Bay - Mill Bay route since the summer of 2011 and Hardeep Parmar has been the lone hardworking deckhand ever since. His responsibilities include discharge, charge, and loading, but also all the husbandry and check offs which include making sure all the safety equipment is up to snuff every day such as the rescue boat.

 

 

 

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https://www.vicnews....in-hook-7367625

 

 

 

That guy must be getting some serious overtime.  Working 7am to 7pm seven days per week.


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Posted 30 May 2024 - 11:32 AM

The Klitsa has serviced the Brentwood Bay - Mill Bay route since the summer of 2011 and Hardeep Parmar has been the lone hardworking deckhand ever since. His responsibilities include discharge, charge, and loading, but also all the husbandry and check offs which include making sure all the safety equipment is up to snuff every day such as the rescue boat.

 

 

 

He's great, always makes you feel welcome. Many Ferries employees could learn a thing or two from him.


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Posted 30 May 2024 - 11:35 AM

It’s not a pleasant walk in winter. Rains with sometimes nasty wind given the flat area around there, and you’re drenched in no time. The parking lots closer to the terminal are universally full during peak travel times so you’re literally walking 500-700 meters in the pouring rain.

 

Not worth the money for a handful of stormy days that happen to coincide with peak travel days, which are mostly when the weather is good. Yeesh.

I fly out of there approx monthly, including on long weekends. I've only even been sent to the secondary lot during the summer. I suspect that the only time that the secondary lot is often used when the weather could be poor is around the Christmas holidays. That's definitely not worth the substantial investment.



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Posted 30 May 2024 - 11:42 AM

Because its infinitely more efficient, not to mention smarter from a land-use standpoint, to have a single structure/smaller footprint dedicated to the automobile than an ever-expanding asphalt or gravel parking lot out to infinity? What other airport beyond the Spuzzum's or the Cache Creek's of the country does that?

 

I would recon that most regional airports in Canada don't have a parking garage, many which face much more severe weather than here. Regina, Saskatoon, Whitehorse, Yellowknife, Hamilton....



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Posted 30 May 2024 - 11:54 AM

How expensive is it to create covered walkways?

Geez Louise.
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Posted 30 May 2024 - 12:01 PM

I would recon that most regional airports in Canada don't have a parking garage, many which face much more severe weather than here. Regina, Saskatoon, Whitehorse, Yellowknife, Hamilton....

 

Well I wouldn't expect a parkade at airports serving populations of 20,000 people or less. Our household budget is probably bigger than those two facilities. And I never mentioned severe weather, I've travelled more times than I can count to Alberta and Regina in winter. A parkade does nothing to protect against -25C temperatures but is certainly welcome when the region is being swamped by a rainy deluge.

 

As to comments from others I never said it was a "priority" but it would be a convenient, very nice to have feature not to mention a step up from Podunk or Mayberry or Tofino.....

 

Halifax which I would posit is a much better comparison to YYJ both population-size and market wise than airports in the north serving very small centers, or Hamilton with its 800,000 residents, has a great parkade literally bolted onto the main terminal. Walk through two sets of double doors and you're practically at your vehicle.


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