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[Victoria Watcher]

[Mike K.]

Speaking of which, Mrs. Mike K. just dumped a whole slew of reusable bags that she noticed were either in bad shape, too dirty to keep using, or the plastic components were breaking down.

I think something like each of those bags represented at least 50 “single use” bags, in terms of production energy and plastic. What exactly are we solving here?

[Mike K.]

https://www.cbc.ca/r...table-1.6723337

[spanky123]

^ Shouldn't have been a surprise, after all the CoV banned compostable bags when they introduced the plastic bag ban. 

 

None of this has anything to do with the environment, it is about making people uncomfortable and forcing them to enact meaningless change. Will just condition you for what is coming.

[aastra]

 

I think something like each of those bags represented at least 50 “single use” bags, in terms of production energy and plastic. What exactly are we solving here?

 

We're solving the issue of not having enough vain and meaningless things to fret about, things which enable us to distract ourselves from deeper issues that actually matter. Who cares if my neighbour is having a serious personal crisis? Who cares if I carry a mountain of scar tissue inside of myself? I'm too busy trying to save the environment. Actually, I spend most of my time trying to stay up to date about the ever-shifting definitions of "saving the environment" and also about the ever-shifting catastrophic consequences of not saving it quickly enough. Did I mention my troubled neighbour doesn't seem to love the environment anywhere near as much as I do? Jerk deserves his troubles.

[Nparker]

It's mostly a con to keep the plebeians arguing among ourselves and distracted from the ongoing power/freedom grab by the 1% of the 1%. 

[Victoria Watcher]

'Paper can't be a solution to plastic waste': Canadian environmentalists warn about the rise in single-use paper products

 

 

https://www.ctvnews....ducts-1.6382821

 

 

 

She estimates more than three billion trees—many of which are old-growth and endangered—are logged every year to make paper-based products like bags, straws and food containers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Globally, there are estimated to be 3.04 trillion trees. This is according to a study published in the journal Nature. This means that there are roughly 422 trees for every person on earth.

 

https://www.gotreequ...trees-in-world/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seems to me it would take 1,000 years to take our last tree at that rate and that was if we planted none.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 May 2023 - 06:23 PM.

[phx]

Paper straws assessed by researchers at the University of Antwerp, Belgium, were found to contain more "forever chemicals" – per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances or PFAS – than plastic. These long-lasting PFAS can stay in the environment for decades, can contaminate water supplies, and are associated with a range of health problems. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/...drinking-straws

[Nparker]

[Matt R.]

Sugar cane is where it’s at.

[Victoria Watcher]

Walmart, LCBO are the latest retailers to embrace single-use paper bags. Environmentalists are concerned

 

Environmental experts argue single-use plastic bags shouldn't be replaced with paper ones

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...lmart-1.7358649

[Daveyboy]

Now they want cardboard boxes......So much better than paper bags.

[Mike K.]

How come we haven't heard anything about how much plastic garbage has been diverted from the landfill, yet?

 

I have a feeling plastic garbage has increased. Some of the multi-use bags must take up hundreds of plastic bags worth of plastic. Most are around 30 bags.

[Matt R.]

My supplier finally ran out of plastic tshirt bags, so this week we planned to order paper - which everyone hates and are very expensive - but they suggested we go with this “reusable” bag, which is much less expensive and has handles but is really nothing more than a thicker plastic bag. Feels kind of like a thick dryer sheet.

So thin plastic bags no, thick plastic bags yes?

[LJ]

Like I said, I'm going to bring a huge bag of plastic grocery bags from the US and take them to the grocery store in Vic and have them load my groceries into them. 

[lanforod]

Maybe you could be Matt’s new supplier.

[Mike K.]

You can order plastic bags off Amazon, too.

[mbjj]

I have a bin full of plastic grocery bags I saved. I use them all year round for various things, then put them back in the bin. I'm curious about what's going to happen when restaurants in Victoria won't be using take-out containers unless you request them. If I have a milkshake and drink it at the Dairy Queen, will I get it in a nice glass? What about sundaes and blizzards? 

[LJ]

I went grocery shopping this afternoon, I now have started my supply of reusable plastic bags to bring back to Victoria, got about 20 of them.

 

Oh, and the grocery prices, my oh my, Gallon of milk $1.99, dozen eggs $2.49, pound of butter $2.19.

[Mike K.]

US prices, to be fair?