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[aastra]

 

do cruise ship passengers regularly forget where the ship is?

 

No, but when they ask people on the street, taxi drivers, etc. how to get back to the cruise ship terminal (the one at Ogden Point), they get nothing but blank looks. Cruise ship terminal? Ogden Point? What the heck? What is that, some inscrutable Nebraskan vernacular?

 

OH, you mean the breakwater! Why didn't you say so?

[aastra]

We're just having fun here, but I really do wonder why Victorians have been struggling with designations and definitions in the past couple of decades. Consider all of that nonsense about designating and re-designating the boundaries of downtown and the neighbourhoods. Or that brief period in which Victoria seemed destined to have two uptowns: one at the redeveloped Town & Country and another one downtown in the vicinity of the redeveloped HBC building (now known as the Hudson district).

[Victoria Watcher]

a large portion of greater victoria residents don’t know what municipality they live in and even less can tell you even roughly where the borders are.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 27 August 2019 - 10:56 AM.

[Jackerbie]

^ If you look at the GVHA press releases, they're pretty consistent in referring to "the Victoria Cruise Ship Terminal at Ogden Point." Maybe for once someone is trying to highlight the Victoria aspect of being located in Victoria! Even their website has Victoria Harbour in bold text while Greater fades into the background (hopefully this doesn't cause any Cantonese confusion)

[aastra]

 

....but I really do wonder why Victorians have been struggling with designations and definitions in the past couple of decades.

 

Another one that I had almost (but not quite) blocked from my memory was that absurd push to use "Capital Police" as the name for a possible unified metro police department. Because calling it the Greater Victoria Police Department would be too literal, too easy, too sensible, too factually correct.

[Nparker]

LoJo and the Design District really caught on though. 

[Victoria Watcher]

A day after learning Peter Ogden’s name will be removed from a seaside section of Victoria’s James Bay neighbourhood, the fur trader’s great-great-great-great-granddaughter is giving the controversial decision an added dose of context.

 

Rachel Perkins took to Twitter Monday night releasing a series of tweets about a relative she has spent 15 years learning about. She said she does not believe Ogden Point should have been named after her ancestor in the first place.

 

The insightful Twitter thread was in response to the Greater Victoria Harbour Authority’s decision to remove the Ogden name as part of a rebrand. The Harbour Authority maintains the decision to rename the area “The Breakwater District” is not about erasing the past, or Peter Ogden.

 

 

 

 

https://www.cheknews...-change-599266/

 

 

 

 

Although Perkins has no problem with the Harbour Authority changing the name, she says she would prefer the new name to follow in the footsteps of the James Bay Library.

 

The branch opened in 2018 and is called “sxʷeŋxʷəŋ təŋəxʷ” (pronounced s-hweng hw-ung tongue-oo-hw) which the Greater Victoria Library says is the Lekwungen name for James Bay. The name was selected through a “Name That Library” campaign in consultation with the Songhees and Esquimalt Nations.

 

Ian Robertson, the CEO of the Greater Victoria Harbour Authority says the decision was not about erasing history.

 

“It’s not erasing what happened. I think we should be very open and transparent about what happened. It’s really about celebrating this place, what it has become, and what it holds for the future,” Robertson says.

 

The new name will be unveiled on Sept. 18 as part of a new rebrand for Ogden Point.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 27 August 2019 - 02:51 PM.

[Nparker]

 

 

...the new name [should] follow in the footsteps of the James Bay Library. The branch opened in 2018 and is called “sxʷeŋxʷəŋ təŋəxʷ” (pronounced s-hweng hw-ung tongue-oo-hw)..

Respectful perhaps. Pronounceable, not in the least.

[Victoria Watcher]

Respectful perhaps. Pronounceable, not in the least.

 

the branch opened in 2018 and is called “sxʷeŋxʷəŋ təŋəxʷ” (pronounced s-hweng hw-ung tongue-oo-hw) 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 27 August 2019 - 03:39 PM.

[Nparker]

If a name requires a phonetic explanation next to it, it is not pronounceable.

[Greg]

I think more people refer to it as the breakwater than as Ogden point. When we discussed the new fence, we talked about the breakwater. Local runners like to run the breakwater. On Friday nights people go to the Breakwater Barge. This isn't actually a very big deal.

[Nparker]

I think more people refer to it as the breakwater than as Ogden point...

Of course, the breakwater and Ogden Point are actually 2 separate things; the latter existing long before the former. The area could just as accurately be re-branded as the "Cruise Ship District". That'd get some hackles up in parts of James Bay.

[Rob Randall]

Be aware of the fact that the Dallas Road cruise ship district is very different and distinct from the Dallas Road cruise district.

[todd]

“Cruise Ship Terminal”

[todd]

We only have one breakwater how can we have a district?

[Victoria Watcher]

lots of other man made structures there are also de facto breakwaters. the pier fingers. the coast guard base structures. fisherman’s wharf. the shoreline wall east of the large breakwater.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 August 2019 - 01:29 AM.

[Nparker]

There doesn't appear to be a lot of love for the rebranding.

[GaryOak]

There should be a 3rd option of i really don't care what it's called

[aastra]

 

We only have one breakwater how can we have a district?

 

A district full of breakwaters would be quite something, no argument.

 

"Do you want to go for a walk on the breakwater?"

 

"Sure. Which one?"

 

But as of yet, Victorians can only dream. I'm still waiting for the hammock district to materialize.

 

Edited by aastra, 28 August 2019 - 04:49 PM.

[aastra]

I shouldn't even say it but it would be funny if this name change happens and then shortly thereafter the authorities decide that the breakwater needs to be closed re: seismic safety concerns or whatever else.