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#81 lanforod

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:16 AM

Allowing a vote per corporation or holding company would be negligible too. They have a powerful enough voice once council is elected anyways, and can choose to vote with their money too.



#82 nerka

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:34 AM

The principle of people not corporations holding the vote is consistent with Provincial, national and international norms. Extending the vote to corporations is a bad idea in principle (IMO) and would come with a bunch of practical problems as well in determining what person is eligible to cast the corporate vote. Not worth the effort.  And as lanforod pointed out it's not like corporations have no influence with our elected officials.


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#83 Mike K.

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:42 AM

Rarely do we see the admittance that corporations are run by people who live and work in our communities and the effort they put towards their jobs and investments makes the things we take for granted possible.

 

99% of all corporations are little-C corporations, aka those run by moms and pops who live down the street. Big-C corporations are a completely different beast altogether, but the two are never differentiated when bringing up the evil c-word in discussion. Although they should be, especially when talking about something as important as municipal elections and how the group responsible for the majority of taxation revenues in the City of Victoria is shut out of the voting process.

 

Anyways, it's Friday, I guess  :banana:


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#84 lanforod

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:44 AM

Rarely do we see the admittance that corporations are run by people who live and work in our communities and the effort they put towards their jobs and investments makes the things we take for granted possible.

 

99% of all corporations are little-C corporations, aka those run by moms and pops who live down the street. Big-C corporations are a completely different beast altogether, but the two are never differentiated when bringing up the evil c-word in discussion. Although they should be, especially when talking about something as important as municipal elections and how the group responsible for the majority of taxation revenues in the City of Victoria is shut out of the voting process.

 

Anyways, it's Friday, I guess  :banana:

 

Folks who live down the street already have a vote. Unless down the street means they now live in Esquimalt, View Royal, or Saanich, of course...


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#85 Mike K.

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:56 AM

Yeah, that's what I mean. I'd even be fine if a commercial property owner had the choice of giving up a vote where they lay their head in exchange for voting where their livelihood originates from and where they work hard to ensure their employees earn a monthly income.


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Posted 02 June 2017 - 08:30 AM

I think if you have skin in the game in two or more municipalities, there should be a minimum of 1 vote in each municipality per property. Principal residence properties get as many votes as eligible voters who reside there.

 

If Bob owns "ABC Tire Store" and the property is registered to "ABC Tires Ltd." he should get one vote as president of ABC Tires Ltd.  



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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:55 AM

Council is in the process of diving in deeply to the 1,116-page draft budget document. We face a challenging task: how can we continue to provide the broad scope of approximately 200 services and over 200 capital infrastructure projects that our citizens value, while meeting the demands of citizens and businesses for increased or new services? And how can we do this in a way that keeps people’s ability to pay their taxes top of mind?

 

 

https://www.vicnews....ia-city-budget/

 

I challenge Lisa Helps to outline those "demands".  They do not exist.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:59 AM

She probably believes enforcing bylaws, basic policing and cleaning the sidewalks are new demands. 


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 09:43 AM

https://www.vicnews....ia-city-budget/

 

I challenge Lisa Helps to outline those "demands".  They do not exist.

That's a totally absurd statement.  It's human nature for the general public to demand all sorts of services, the sum of which would be entirely unaffordable for government to provide.  Of course people are making those demands.  More libraries, more sidewalks, fixed sidewalks, affordable housing, free heroin, free food, seniors centres, more transit, free transit, more enforcement of every rule ever invented, more rules and enforcement of those new rules, more urban assault vehicles to respond to non-existent scenarios, more light-synchronization, more trees, more bike lanes, more harbour pathways, more parks, cleaner parks, a new pool.  I could do this all day long and not even scratch the surface.

 

It`s a council's unfortunate job to say no to 99% of these requests.


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#90 Mike K.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 09:55 AM

Is the public making demands for poet laureates? $30/hour parkade cashier positions? Independent bargaining? $60 million bridge cost overruns? Parking reductions? Musical stairs? Anti-airBnB legislation? Plastic bag bans? Loitering on our streets? Crime on our streets? A homelessness problem that's out of control?

 

No.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 09:58 AM

Oh, and how could I forget?

 

Add trips to China to that list.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:03 AM

That's a totally absurd statement.  It's human nature for the general public to demand all sorts of services, the sum of which would be entirely unaffordable for government to provide.  Of course people are making those demands.  More libraries (I see no demands), more sidewalks (again, where do folks want them and who are these mystery people?), fixed sidewalks (that's not a new program), affordable housing (not in the City's job description), free heroin (same), free food (same), seniors centres (I hear no demands), more transit (not really, in the CoV), free transit (nope), more enforcement of every rule ever invented (rules should be enforced, or dropped), more rules and enforcement of those new rules (no great demand for more rules that I see), more urban assault vehicles to respond to non-existent scenarios (nobody but police wanted that), more light-synchronization (that's not a new program), more trees (nobody is asking for more trees), more bike lanes (most people did/do not want the bike lanes), more harbour pathways (maybe), more parks (nobody is asking for more parks in CoV), cleaner parks (that's not a new program), a new pool (most people do not want a new pool).  I could do this all day long and not even scratch the surface.  You could, and I'd show that most people do not want any of this.

 

It`s a council's unfortunate job to say no to 99% of these requests.


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#93 nagel

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:06 AM

I'm not taking the bait on the sad scope creep from both of you.  His statement was totally incorrect and I'll leave it at that.



#94 Mike K.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:07 AM

Well, you are a Saanich resident and taxpayer, so maybe that's for the best?

 

But it does shed light on the real scope creep within the City of Victoria, that being non-residents, non-taxpayers dictating what the City of Victoria should and should not do.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:20 AM

Is the public making demands for...Musical stairs?

To be fair, the public was only "demanding" musical handrails, but now that you mention it, musical stairs would be awesome! Maybe stairs that light up like the FAO Schwarz floor piano that Tom Hanks danced on in "Big". I am so going to demand this of Council...or maybe just get VHF to request it the next time he and Lisa have a tête-à-tête.


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#96 Mike K.

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:25 AM

Good grief, you're right! Music stairs would indeed be something spectacular.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:21 AM

Is the public making demands for poet laureates?

 

From the City of Victoria website: "The position receives an honorarium of $3,500 per year as well as $1,000 for a poetry event and administration support from the City of Victoria, and $1,000 to support Greater Victoria Public Library programming activities"

 

That's about 6 cents per resident of the city of Victoria for free public readings and workshops.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:25 AM

Is the public making demands for poet laureates? $30/hour parkade cashier positions? Independent bargaining? $60 million bridge cost overruns? Parking reductions? Musical stairs? Anti-airBnB legislation? Plastic bag bans? Loitering on our streets? Crime on our streets? A homelessness problem that's out of control?

 

No.

 

Anti air-bnb regulations and plastic bag bans have both had significant public engagement & support at the council level, so you can't say that there isn't demand for those.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 04:22 PM

I'm not taking the bait on the sad scope creep from both of you.  His statement was totally incorrect and I'll leave it at that.

 

Common problem is that people can't see beyond themselves.  If they don't want a service, then surely no one must want a service.   The comments above are clear examples.   "Here is a list of things I don't use, therefore they are useless and a waste of money".  


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 05:15 PM

Anti air-bnb regulations and plastic bag bans have both had significant public engagement & support at the council level, so you can't say that there isn't demand for those.

 

Significant public engagement does not necessarily equate to what the majority of taxpayers want. Stuff like this is small vocal groups topic de jour that resonates with council because it feeds their audience. 

 

When those anti-airbnb regulations take effect and all those operators are out of business and there still is no more affordable housing or cheap rental accommodations then whats next? an empty bedroom levy? But lets not worry about the financial impact to the local economy and the void left by those folks that take their business elsewhere....those capitalist private businesses that lost that revenue and the restaurants that underpay workers deserve to be hurt....but Margaret Lucas will be happy as its less competition for her hotel and Pamela Madoff wont mind as it will help her B & B...


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