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[VicHockeyFan]

 somewhat lame if your MO is to re-write someone else's work and not add a shred of additional information to the discussion, but at least you're acknowledging where the information originated from and the individual(s) who did your leg work.

 

Is it less lame if after you re-print a small portion of that work, you post it to social media channels with a potential reach 4 or 40 times stronger than the original media's network?  That's the VBCT MO. 

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 07 December 2017 - 11:15 AM.

[Mike K.]

I certainly wouldn't be thrilled if someone was taking my articles and re-printing several paragraphs on their own website and re-publishing the content on their Facebook page. But if they credited the work that's another matter.

 

My issue is more-so with some people believing that as long as they re-write someone else's work they don't need to credit the originator or link to their content.

[VicHockeyFan]

^ but that’s exactly what Rogers did this morning. They took Glaciers work and read it on the air on the Ocean with different words with no credit.

But Mike, you’d be thrilled if CNN quoted a piece of your work, with credit, and link, right?

Black is not thrilled with VBCT.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 07 December 2017 - 11:35 AM.

[Mike K.]

Well, yeah.

 

And that's not cool. So clearly there's a bit of pot calling the kettle black here even by the MSM.

[Rob Randall]

That's absolutely untrue.

 

OK, to be fair, the earlier articles took half or more of the content. I counted it myself One mainstream article from July for instance contained 165 words, The Victoria BC Today reprint had 116 words. The recent stuff is much fairer-- only taking a small snippet. Which is legal and good--it drives traffic.

[jonny]

A valuation of $20,000 per article seems absurd. Are they really saying an edition of Victoria News is worth several hundred thousand dollars?

[m3m]

A valuation of $20,000 per article seems absurd. Are they really saying an edition of Victoria News is worth several hundred thousand dollars?

 

I think the 20,000 per instance is dictated by the copyright act. It does seem absurd in this case, but I can also think of situations where it would be absurdly low - especially if the corporation is large and has a wide audience. What if HBO took my manuscript and used it to produce a popular TV show? $20,000 is hardly a deterrance. 

[m3m]

On a somewhat related note, I always enjoy reading the "Who's Getting Sued" weekly column in Business in Vancouver.  https://www.biv.com/...ecember-5-2017/

Perhaps some savvy local media outlet could do something similar for Victoria  

[VicHockeyFan]

On a somewhat related note, I always enjoy reading the "Who's Getting Sued" weekly column in Business in Vancouver.  https://www.biv.com/...ecember-5-2017/

Perhaps some savvy local media outlet could do something similar for Victoria  

 

Business Examiner used to do that.  Not sure if they do anymore.

[Bingo]

There's nothing wrong with a reporter hearing a story on another media form and chasing it down and writing their own story.

 

The folks on the forum are always rearranging the information and adding to the story by using the "Quote" button which is what keeps the various treads current and alive.

Sometime I will hear of a photo op that is of interest and will go and take my own images like some of the others here on the forum.

Then the rest of the media in town see VV's " breaking news" and rush down and try and grab a similar photo. 

It's part of the media scrum that has a long tradition.

The problem is print media is often away behind everything that is on social media and that is why they get their knickers in a twist.

[Rob Randall]

The problem is print media is often away behind everything that is on social media and that is why they get their knickers in a twist.

 

I don't think that bothers them at all. Sure, no-one likes getting scooped but regular media know it's hard to compete against lightning-fast volunteer crowdsourcing like VV. What bugs them is stolen content without attribution and those that think social media, (with its mix of fender benders, broken water mains and half-true rumours) are a good substitute for real journalism, flawed as it is.

 

Also: Yes, the Business Examiner still runs the "Who's Suing Whom" column.

 

Just for yuks I phoned Mike this morning and told him I was an investigator with VicPD and that his name has come up in the Black Press/Seal investigation. Was it nice? No, but it was funny.

Edited by Rob Randall, 07 December 2017 - 03:28 PM.

[VicHockeyFan]

Sometimes it's quite eye-opening to see what stories really have legs though.  And get the most views.

 

Consumer stories are big, say Sears closing, or Walmart staying open 24 hours.  A dash-cam crash film near Duncan was huge.

 

I think that sea lion grabbing the girl in Steveston was nearly the biggest hit. 

 

And since we are on the topic, one item that was big was Lisa Help's home's Air BnB.  A story that all the media knew about, by the way.  Mike K. and I have talked to other MSM that knew all about it, but were afraid to write the story up.  VBCT did do the story, and of course then all the other media were more than happy to report on it, from the perspective of the dust-up that followed.  But they never had the balls to initiate the story.

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 07 December 2017 - 03:31 PM.

[Bingo]

Sometimes it's quite eye-opening to see what stories really have legs though.  And get the most views.

 

 

You have 3595 views so far and I just viewed it 17 more times, just because I want to support the cause.

[VicHockeyFan]

Jim Jefferies is coming to the arena this weekend, so the TC's Mike Devlin wrote an article...  who did all the heavy lifting here?

 

“I don’t believe in ever apologizing for a joke,” Jefferies said recently, during an interview by Larry King. “I think that’s the wrong way to go.”

 

...

 

“I have two tequilas before each show,” Jefferies said during an interview on The Dan Patrick Show. “I’m not drunk, but I’m a little buzzed as I’m telling you about North Korea.”

 

...

 

“The whole thing has always been being able to say bad things to people and them knowing that I’m joking,” Jefferies told the Phoenix New Times recently. “In the current climate, that is getting harder and harder. It’s getting harder for your jokes not to be seen at face value.”

 

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“I don’t want anyone feeling so upset that they have to leave,” Jefferies told Salon, when questioned about his divisive act.

 

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“My act is what you’d call an acquired taste,” he said during an episode of The Jim Jefferies Show.

 

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“The good parts of your life and the bits where you’re not angry are not funny,” Jefferies told GQ

 

 

 

http://www.timescolo...word-1.23115240

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 08 December 2017 - 07:42 AM.

[VicHockeyFan]

BREAKING!  Something happened to a baby in Ontario or area, and God damn it we got you the news first.

 

Edited by VicHockeyFan, 13 December 2017 - 10:28 AM.

[nagel]

It does look silly but apparently there was a double stabbing and as part of it a 4 month old was critically/life threateningly injured, although possibly not literally stabbed.  Bloody horrifying either way.

[Rob Randall]

^^The Omarosa stories are all over the place too: she was either escorted by security out of the White House yesterday or she voluntarily resigned as planned and will leave in January after one year of service.

 

"Micro-scoops"; the compulsion to one-up the competition with minute-by-minute "breaking news" without getting solid confirmation is nonsense. 

[LJ]

I watched the ABC and CBS news tonight and the Omarosa story was completely different on the two newscasts.

[Rob Randall]

The 1994 Michael Keaton comedy "The Paper" was on TV the other day. The plot is the race to nail down a bombshell story during a 24 hour period. There's a lot to be said for the 24 hour news cycle. Sometimes it takes that long to tell a coherent story.

 

The mainstream media are holding back on the Omarosa story; I think they're trying to get reliable confirmation. There's credible reports from April Ryan and others saying Omarosa didn't accept being fired by Kelly and attempted to gain access to the residence to talk to Trump which set off all sorts of alarms. We'll know more tomorrow. 

[VicHockeyFan]

The Paper was pretty funny. I watched it recently too.