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#4521 IPH

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Posted 16 September 2020 - 03:37 PM

Typical pat response?  That's how taxes work, I don't know what to tell you, this is the society you live in.  Budgets are made and whatever that ends up being it's divided into residential vs commercial and then split based on property values.  A SFD doesn't get more services than their neighbour even though they may have paid more.  Is that what you thought?   The more you pay the more you get?  When you read your property tax report, there is no mention of parking.  If the City were to charge those households with more vehicles to be parked on the street, then property taxes across the board would come down, ever so slightly but still.

Of course that's not what I thought.  My point was that higher priced houses already pay significantly higher property taxes which benefits everyone far more then them as they don't get any more services.  So we can cut them some slack and people should stop whining that they get free parking.  They don't, they paid for it when the lot was developed and or resold.



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Posted 16 September 2020 - 03:50 PM

Well, for starters since the density is drastically lower in single family home neighbourhoods, SFD are very inefficient. The cost of servicing i.e. utilities and road maintenance is significantly higher per household. And not just the road in front of their house; SFDs have a higher rate of car ownership and drive farther and more often, especially if they're in a more sub-urban neighbourhood that isn't very walkable.  They may pay more taxes per household but far less taxes per square footage of residence and MUCH less than per acre of land.  

As Mike has said, generalities are a poor argument.  Saying SFD have a higher rate of car ownership and drive father and more often is not always true.  I believe I have seen a statement on this site that Fairfield residents have one of the highest rate of bike use in the region, yet Fairfield also has an extremely high number of SFD.  So in this case your statement doesn't appear to hold water.

 

I know most of my neighbours and the majority are retired or semi retired and rarely use their cars.  They walk and/or cycle most of the time.  I realize they are not in a more Suburban neighbourhood as you point out, but they are in the neighbourhood with ROP.  Many of them also struggle to find a spot to park because all the people that live in all the high density buildings downtown that are to cheep to pay for parking, or cant buy parking in their building because the city approved the building with not enough parking, are taking up all the space in the ROP zone.   



#4523 Ismo07

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 08:07 AM

As Mike has said, generalities are a poor argument.  Saying SFD have a higher rate of car ownership and drive father and more often is not always true.  I believe I have seen a statement on this site that Fairfield residents have one of the highest rate of bike use in the region, yet Fairfield also has an extremely high number of SFD.  So in this case your statement doesn't appear to hold water.

 

 

 

Just cause there is a high number that ride into downtown for work or play or whatever, doesn't mean those SFDs have fewer cars.  I'd hazard that most of those houses have at least one vehicle and most of those most have 2+ vehicles.  Those streets are pretty full of cars.

 

 So we can cut them some slack and people should stop whining that they get free parking.  They don't, they paid for it when the lot was developed and or resold.

 

No one is whining about it, but they never paid for the parking on the street.  Taxes are not meant for securing public right of way in that fashion, even though you may think that is fair or right.  I'm happy with the status quo as I think it works well for Victoria.  There are differing thoughts to either remove the restriction altogether or start a permit program that's all.  Different cities do different things.


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#4524 Mike K.

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 08:15 AM

Well, if they're driving those cars, then they're not parking those cars on their street at the same time. Sounds like we should be encouraging people who park on residential streets to park less and drive more.


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#4525 IPH

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 08:22 AM

Well, if they're driving those cars, then they're not parking those cars on their street at the same time. Sounds like we should be encouraging people who park on residential streets to park less and drive more.

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#4526 Ismo07

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 08:31 AM

Well, if they're driving those cars, then they're not parking those cars on their street at the same time. Sounds like we should be encouraging people who park on residential streets to park less and drive more.

 

LOL yes sound logic.  The point was that it's folly to think cyclists only ride and drivers only drive.  Also the generalization that SFDs typically will own more vehicles that multi-family dwellings is sound and a fine generalization.  Eliminating generalizations from wide spreading conversations such as how cities develops policy is silly.  Have to start with generalizations then pare down to more specific issues.



#4527 Mike K.

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 09:17 AM

Oh geez. Who cares, though, how many vehicles they own. I own three and live in the boonies. I can only drive one at a time.

I also owned three when I lived downtown in a highrise, all parked off-street, with parking paid for, don’t worry.

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#4528 Ismo07

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 09:28 AM

Oh geez. Who cares, though, how many vehicles they own. I own three and live in the boonies. I can only drive one at a time.

I also owned three when I lived downtown in a highrise, all parked off-street, with parking paid for, don’t worry.

 

No one cares I thought it was you who brought it up....  You likely have room to store them out there however...  When you lived downtown you managed to park them here and there.  I own one and live in a multi-family, so generalization is real. :)


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#4529 Mike K.

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Posted 17 September 2020 - 09:29 AM

Here and there? I had reserved parking at my place and Mrs. Mike K’s. No here and there for this guy!
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