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#1 Holden West

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 07:51 AM

Something of a surprise quote in the Traveller's Inn bankruptcy story:
 

"Most of the properties are in the community plan for highrise (six-to-one density) and several of the properties will require four to six months for rezoning in order to sell for highest and best use."

A developer has made an offer on 3020 Douglas St., the Vacation Inn, and for three lots on Burnside Road, for a proposal to build a new mall at Douglas and Finlayson streets, Asfar said.

Mayfair is to the NE, Denny's is NW, VanCity to the SE, leaving the Victoria Motor Products (former Cornell Chevrolet) as the probable location.

In general, I don't like when malls are built across the street from existing malls. It sprawls everything out too far. A mall works well as a relatively tight destination cluster that contrasts with its surroundings. It would be much better as residential/office with ground floor retail.

Mind you, the source of this rumour is Asfar himself so ingest the appropriate amount of salt with this data.

 


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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:07 AM

At least we know VMP is up for redevelopment, so there may be something going on here.

My understanding is that the Vacation Inn is fairly profitable.

#3 Holden West

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:11 AM

Even without the neighbouring motel it`s a big site. It`s on a fairly steep hill so it will be interesting to see how they put a traditional mall there. Unless by *mall* they mean yet another boring strip-mall.
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#4 aastra

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:26 AM

Isn't there some way that the city could block any new strip mall development?

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 09:49 AM

Isn't there some way that the city could block any new strip mall development?


I'm pretty sure that the city can vote against the proposal.

#6 Holden West

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 10:13 AM

According to the zoning map, it`s M1 zone, Limited Light Industrial which seems to allow virtually anything.

I think the City is limited to fine-tuning the details at the Development Permit stage.
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#7 Kikadee

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 11:01 AM

This would be an excellent location for a highrise or group of highrises!

#8 Caramia

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 11:30 AM

It would be a great spot for residential highrises with office main floors or a live/work component. I'd come out against a strip mall there though.
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#9 aastra

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 01:13 PM

If the Douglas Street strip was fully built out as something of a cross between the Selkirk area and Short Street, I'm thinking it could be really good.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 02:09 PM

If the Douglas Street strip was fully built out as something of a cross between the Selkirk area and Short Street, I'm thinking it could be really good.


I agree, Uptown to Downtown, residential/commercial with height. It would be a really vibrant corridor into the city.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 02:19 PM

I think that due to the nature of the street we need something more substantial than Short Street or Selkirk along Douglas. Selkirk isunderwhleming and underdensity with its quiet streets Douglas street would overwhlm buildings like that making them less than ideal. Being next to Douglas would become much more bearable after 6 storeys in height.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 02:51 PM

I think that due to the nature of the street we need something more substantial than Short Street or Selkirk along Douglas. Selkirk isunderwhleming and underdensity with its quiet streets Douglas street would overwhlm buildings like that making them less than ideal. Being next to Douglas would become much more bearable after 6 storeys in height.


or 20!

#13 Holden West

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 02:58 PM

These are all good suggestions.

If more mall space is commercially viable it should be built kitty-corner on the existing Mayfair parking lot like Town & Country did on their property, not on prime commercial/residential land! This lot is sandwiched between two major bus routes--Douglas/BRT and Burnside.
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Posted 03 September 2009 - 03:19 PM

The last developments that have been on Douglas has been the Starbucks, with a drive through, and the Volvo dealership. No one has done anything significant on the Douglas corridor between downtown and "Uptown" in decades.

As it stands, a strip mall along Douglas would be an improvement, though not really what I would like to see there.

It is an ideal corridor for office and high rise residential. I would love to see the city allow 15-20 story buildings along the corridor.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 05:44 PM

A strip mall is never an improvement and always a detriment. I agree with your ideal however.

The last significant building north of the downtown was Ross Place.

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 07:10 PM

Something of a surprise quote in the Traveller's Inn bankruptcy story:

Mayfair is to the NE, Denny's is NW, VanCity to the SE, leaving the Victoria Motor Products (former Cornell Chevrolet) as the probable location.


Your deduced location makes sense. VMP is owned by Wheaton and its days as a dealership are numbered.

#17 gumgum

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 07:29 PM



#18 amor de cosmos

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 07:48 PM

would saanich & victoria sign a treaty saying they're going to haul ass between uptown & downtown?

#19 Holden West

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Posted 03 September 2009 - 08:33 PM

That Bing shot is amazing. Look how much frigging real estate is given to automobile storage.

So am I correct in thinking the hotel is part of this potential lot consolidation? If so, this ain't no little strip mall concept...
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Posted 03 September 2009 - 08:53 PM

There's already a strip-mall (Douglas Centre, with Lifestyles, Quizno's, McD's) only a couple lots south on Douglas, and the fact that it survives is amazing. The area does not need a strip mall.

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