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#381 TimM

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Posted 01 December 2023 - 03:08 PM

Not farmable due to terrain, and there’s a creek running through it. Essentially low value land for development purposes and for farming (a good indicator of terrain variation is roads. You can see how curvy the road is there, that’s usually an indicator of elevation charges or natural impediments.

 where are my 2-5 acres lots on the peninsula that pay 40k in property taxes.  Show me your examples that back up your claims instead



#382 Mike K.

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Posted 01 December 2023 - 03:12 PM

I'm not sure how much clearer I can make this for you.

 

The farmland that you want out of the ALR so you don't have to pay capital gains, is taxed so heavily when it's out of the ALR, that it gets sold for development.

 

You see all those small lots adjacent to ALR farmland? Tally up the land there, and its values to get your figure.


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#383 TimM

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Posted 02 December 2023 - 08:48 AM

I'm not sure how much clearer I can make this for you.

 

The farmland that you want out of the ALR so you don't have to pay capital gains, is taxed so heavily when it's out of the ALR, that it gets sold for development.

 

You see all those small lots adjacent to ALR farmland? Tally up the land there, and its values to get your figure.

I'm not sure how clear I made it for you, please back up your claim of 2-5 acre lots on the peninsula that pay 40k in property taxes as per YOUR claim.



#384 Mike K.

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Posted 02 December 2023 - 08:51 AM

I've exhausted myself already.

 

Why not prove me wrong with your home, though? You said you live on non-ALR farmland and pay low taxes. Just use your place as an example.


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#385 TimM

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Posted 02 December 2023 - 10:50 AM

I've exhausted myself already.

 

Why not prove me wrong with your home, though? You said you live on non-ALR farmland and pay low taxes. Just use your place as an example.

I'll suspend my claim for now

 

Now prove yours



#386 Szeven

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Posted 02 December 2023 - 02:33 PM

I've exhausted myself already.

Why not prove me wrong with your home, though? You said you live on non-ALR farmland and pay low taxes. Just use your place as an example.

I still think you are confusing developable land with non developable.

An A-1 lot non ALR with a house on it has the same assessed value and municipal taxes as an A-1 lot in the ALR with a house on it.

An A-1 lot that has had it's usage changed by a zoning change, OCP change, provincial govt mandate etc...whatever, is obviously then worth a higher amount and pays higher taxes.

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#387 Mike K.

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Posted 02 December 2023 - 06:58 PM

I’m referring to farmland, yes, not undevelopable or low value land for development.

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#388 TimM

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Posted 04 December 2023 - 07:44 AM

I still think you are confusing developable land with non developable.

An A-1 lot non ALR with a house on it has the same assessed value and municipal taxes as an A-1 lot in the ALR with a house on it.

An A-1 lot that has had it's usage changed by a zoning change, OCP change, provincial govt mandate etc...whatever, is obviously then worth a higher amount and pays higher taxes.

yes you get it!

 

 where are my 2-5 acres lots on the peninsula that pay 40k in property taxes.  Show me your examples that back up your claims instead

still waiting



#389 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 01 August 2024 - 03:51 AM

BC United calls for emergency help after B.C. Tree Fruits shuts down

BC United Leader Kevin Falcon and his agriculture critic are calling for immediate relief after the collective’s closure.


https://www.timescol...ts-down-9297450





Something really went wrong there. That’s too bad. It appears the main value of the system was the cold storage facility. So they could space out delivery of the goods to retailers over the months or year.

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#390 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 01 August 2024 - 03:54 AM

Apples and pears have the longest storage life of the tree fruits, and can be kept in cold storage up to four months under ideal conditions and up to 12 months in controlled atmospheres. Temperatures in cold storage range from 32 to 38ºF, depending on the chilling sensitivity of the variety. Most varieties can be stored at temperatures near 32ºF, but regular monitoring of room temperature is recommended to prevent freezing in rooms that do not maintain a consistent temperature. Honeycrisp is prone to chilling injury when stored at temperatures below 36ºF. Honeycrisp and other chilling sensitive apples should be stored at a temperature of 37ºF.


https://extension.um...age-conditions/


Walk into a U.S. supermarket on any given day and you're pretty much guaranteed to find apples.

In our globalized economy, we expect nothing less than to be able to consume our favorite fruits and vegetables all year, even when they're not in season locally. Placing strawberries from Mexico in your shopping cart in February and stocking up on kiwis from Chile in July – that's pretty much normal, even expected.

But to buy an apple in March? That's a whole different story. We rarely need to go overseas for that. Only 5 percent of the apples consumed in the U.S. are imported, according to the U.S. Apple Association. That means most of our apples are picked from trees in Washington, New York, or Michigan – three of the country's largest apple-producing states – and they are picked during fall harvest.


https://www.npr.org/...apple-every-day

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#391 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 03:59 AM

Saanich to limit size of homes on farmland to 4,300 square feet

One of the district’s goals is to slow sharp increases in the cost of agricultural land, which makes it difficult to acquire land for farming

https://www.timescol...re-feet-9638733

There are 2,665 properties in Saanich zoned for agricultural use, including 533 in the Agricultural Land Reserve.

Currently, homes and other structures are permitted to cover just 40 per cent of an agricultural-zoned property that is smaller than 2,000 square metres, while there is no coverage limit for parcels with a lot area greater than 2,000 square metres.

By comparison, in the rest of Saanich, depending on lot size, the maximum size of a single-family home varies from 261 square metres (2,800 square feet) to 1,000 square metres (10,764 square feet).

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Mayor Dean Murdock said the rationale for reducing the maximum house size on farm properties is to limit the potential for those properties to be lost forever to farming.

“People can continue to enjoy [the property] for their personal use. But limiting that house size ensures that it doesn’t lose the long-term potential for food production,” he said.

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#392 Szeven

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 05:27 AM

They should post the stats that show smaller houses result in more long term food production



#393 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 05:32 AM

Yes. Of the 2665 other mostly smaller houses, are they mostly all producing lots of food?

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 05:33 AM

What better place for large houses, than huge properties. Let them have 10 suites each.

#395 Mike K.

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 08:44 AM

The CRD is doing an alternative approvals process to secure ‘support’ for providing farmland to farmers, so taxpayers will now back local food production.

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#396 lanforod

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 12:27 PM

If we really must keep this land as farmland, which I argue we shouldn't, then yes,I agree with this move because its simply not being used that way when certain demographics buy a large parcel, plunk a 10k sq ft box on it and don't really farm anything. Richmond made a similar move recently, as I recall.



#397 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 12:30 PM

So if you have a smaller house (you are poorer, presumably), you are more likely to farm the land?  To make ends meet etc.?

 

 

 

Dammit Martha, we bought this 13-acre farm, put up a new 4,200 sq. ft. house, and now it looks like my salary barely covers the mortgage and our monthly expenses.

 

Martha:  Well, I could stay home and farm a few acres if it'll help. 


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#398 Mike K.

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 12:40 PM

On the mainland, people say these bans are racially motivated.
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Posted 10 October 2024 - 01:52 PM

More overreach. I know people that ran into problems because they had space for work away workers on site which is a must. Having places for people to live on a farm is the only way to make it a working farm IMO.


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#400 lanforod

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Posted 10 October 2024 - 03:08 PM

On the mainland, people say these bans are racially motivated.

 

In Richmond, maybe it is?  I don't think theres a ban like this in Chilliwack, but drive around there, and you'll see a bunch of 4-10k sq ft houses on farmland too; and those are predominantly caucasian owners. 4k isn't that huge, I actually think Saanich went a bit too small here, but 10k is friggin massive.



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