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#1 amor de cosmos

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 06:57 AM

In the latest Saanich News they say Saanich is working on a plan for Shelbourne from Hillside Mall to Feltham:

Municipal planners are in the midst of developing a document to give direction to how the street and the neighbourhoods around it change over the next 20 to 30 years.

"We want people to consider it a community. Right now Shelbourne Street is a drive-through," said Coun. Judy Brownoff, council liaison to Saanich's bicycle and pedestrian advisory committee.

http://www.bclocalne...s/90104072.html

the section of Shelbourne with a 500m buffer on each side:

& some more info
http://www.saanich.c...necorridor.html

& the website for that special community event happening tomorrow:
http://shelbournecorridor.ca/

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 07:14 AM

The Ride:

Depart at 11:00 am
Return at 1:00 pm
SUNDAY, April 11th


Cycle from Gordon Head Recreation Centre
to Shelbourne Plaza (Pear St.)

* Slow pace suitable for families, children
* Police will provide a rolling road closure
* Secure bicycle parking
* School participation bike rack prizes
* Draw for a bike trailer

The Event:

Time: 11:00 am - 2:00 pm
Shelbourne Plaza is located at Shelbourne & Pear St.
SUNDAY, April 11th


Your chance to provide input to the Vision for the Shelbourne Corridor

* Saanich Corridor Study & Community Mapping
* Climate Action Planning
* Friends of Mount Doug Community Association
* Tour de Rock participants
* Shelbourne Plaza businesses
* CRD
* Saanich Environmental Committee
* Bowker Creek Plans
* Mt. Tolmie Community Association
* Bike Rodeo
* Saanich Parks & Recreation
* Saanich Fire
* Saanich Emergency Preparedness
* University of Victoria

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 08:42 AM

lol @ "Shelbourne Community Celebration"

The real celebration will be reserved for those who profit from the rezoning and higher density redevelopment. :rolleyes:

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 08:54 AM

lol @ "Shelbourne Community Celebration"

The real celebration will be reserved for those who profit from the rezoning and higher density redevelopment. :rolleyes:


I think maybe it's win-win though. No one is going to shed tears if a lot of the houses along Shelbourne go, in exchange for some bike lanes and nice landscaping.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 08:57 AM

and expanded transit. & students who might get some new rental buildings relatively close to uvic & camosun. & people who already live around there, who would get a unified, coherent look to their neighbourhood

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 09:22 AM

We've all talked lot about traditional row housing in other threads. Shelbourne could be a great place for it. Home fronts could be relatively close to the street, adequately sound-proofed. No one needs or wants a front yard on Shelbourne. Now, you can have back yards, and a lane running behind the homes for car parking. So you have nice housing, even for students, and behind the homes you have all the cars hidden, and you minimize the number of access points to the busy street, no need for cyclists to worry about cars pulling out every 25 feet.

He, he a little tough to see, but this home (streetview) is at Shelbourne and Mortimer, is a 4 or 6-plex built in about 1985 or a little earlier. It's quite nice. Parking in back, bus stop at the door. I've always liked it.

HERE is the parking at back.

http://maps.google.c...=12,262.99,,0,5

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 04:30 PM

did anyone go to the thing today?

#8 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 04:35 PM

did anyone go to the thing today?


I rolled past it on public transit, so that counts. I went by early, they were setting up, lots of tents in the south end of Shelbourne Plaza.

They had a school challenge, winning school gets some bike racks courtesy of UVic, however that works. So hopefully they got some good numbers.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 05:14 PM

We've all talked lot about traditional row housing in other threads. Shelbourne could be a great place for it. Home fronts could be relatively close to the street, adequately sound-proofed. No one needs or wants a front yard on Shelbourne. Now, you can have back yards, and a lane running behind the homes for car parking. So you have nice housing, even for students, and behind the homes you have all the cars hidden, and you minimize the number of access points to the busy street, no need for cyclists to worry about cars pulling out every 25 feet.

He, he a little tough to see, but this home (streetview) is at Shelbourne and Mortimer, is a 4 or 6-plex built in about 1985 or a little earlier. It's quite nice. Parking in back, bus stop at the door. I've always liked it.

HERE is the parking at back.

http://maps.google.c...=12,262.99,,0,5


They've done something like that already.

http://maps.google.c...,268.46,,0,6.67

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 05:31 PM

We've all talked lot about traditional row housing in other threads. Shelbourne could be a great place for it. Home fronts could be relatively close to the street, adequately sound-proofed. No one needs or wants a front yard on Shelbourne. Now, you can have back yards, and a lane running behind the homes for car parking. So you have nice housing, even for students, and behind the homes you have all the cars hidden, and you minimize the number of access points to the busy street, no need for cyclists to worry about cars pulling out every 25 feet.

He, he a little tough to see, but this home (streetview) is at Shelbourne and Mortimer, is a 4 or 6-plex built in about 1985 or a little earlier. It's quite nice. Parking in back, bus stop at the door. I've always liked it.

HERE is the parking at back.

http://maps.google.c...=12,262.99,,0,5



Good ideas VHF. My take - multiple-unit housing along the road, remove all on-road parking, create bike lanes both sides, whole way, widen sidewalks - use space from front lawns (that will become walk-up to new 4-5 story housing). Also reconfigure the entrances to Hillside and University Plaza - right now they look like war zones. Another possibility is to encourage row retail along Shelbourne at the multiple plazas (retail in front, parking in back).
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Posted 11 April 2010 - 05:44 PM

They've done something like that already.

http://maps.google.c...,268.46,,0,6.67


Yes, there are several little complexes like that, all aligned wrong. I am hoping for the whole row of 15 to 20 to face the street, the access in the back and back yards people actually use.

I suppose one of the things is our obsession with garage parking for cars. Those garages in your streetview will get used, because they can not park in the lane in front, so they have no alternative. Look at SFD in Langford, they will park in their drive and not in their garage, because it's a workshop. I don't care where they park, as long as it's off the view from the street.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 09:33 AM

There will be another Shelbourne Corridor-related event this Sunday, focusing on History.




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Posted 13 April 2010 - 01:55 PM

One idea would be to get cyclists off of Shelbourne onto parallel streets such as Stamboul and Browning. Haultain is also a good level east west connector to Shelbourne. Otherwise you might need to expropriate some land from property owners to add decent bike lanes.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 07:29 PM

I think maybe it's win-win though. No one is going to shed tears if a lot of the houses along Shelbourne go, in exchange for some bike lanes and nice landscaping.


Oh, I'm not complaining. I just find it amusing how things must have a spin to be acceptable these days. Though perhaps it's always been that way...

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 10:26 PM

Saanich News - There are no plans to rework Shelbourne right now, but that could change as the neighbourhood densifies, said Geoff Nagle, Morguard's director of development for Western Canada.


Geoff was speaking about Shelbourne Plaza (which is an oxymoron as it is the un-definition of a plaza). What he says though is completely correct. Unless there is a considerable percentage rise in the number of residents, there will be little incentive for commercial property owners to invest in revamping areas like University Heights or the Plaza - and do we want a failure like Tuscany Village? (ick)

The plans put forward by Saanich do not go far enough. They still primarily envision Shelbourne as a corridor into downtown (true), but fail in imagination. Look at the corridors in Downtown Vancouver where high density townhouse style housing have direct to sidewalk access, on busy streets which see more daily traffic (with bike and bus lanes) than Shelbourne, and incorporate well designed background highrises.

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Posted 13 April 2010 - 11:20 PM

One idea would be to get cyclists off of Shelbourne onto parallel streets such as Stamboul and Browning.


You would be hard pressed to get cyclists to go a block out of their way to travel a side street that only goes a couple of blocks before coming to a dead end.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 05:47 AM

You would be hard pressed to get cyclists to go a block out of their way to travel a side street that only goes a couple of blocks before coming to a dead end.


Correct, but like stretches of the Gallopping Goose that were at one time not complete, you would need to connect the dead end streets.The two dead end sections of Browning Street for instance are already connected by a trail.

The paralell route may have to weave around in an indirect way, but would be much safer than riding on Shelbourne.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 07:29 AM

Correct, but like stretches of the Gallopping Goose that were at one time not complete, you would need to connect the dead end streets.The two dead end sections of Browning Street for instance are already connected by a trail.

The paralell route may have to weave around in an indirect way, but would be much safer than riding on Shelbourne.


I disagree. Like cycling the blue bridge, I believe we are talking about a "perception of safety". It may be scary cycling down Shelbourne and having traffic bearing down on you from behind but they have a clear view of cyclists, and though it is a bit of a bother for them to move over to pass cyclists it is relatively safe.

The real danger to cyclists statistically are intersections. Stamboul and Browning have a lot of them and they are on quiet side streets where drivers usually regard stop signs as merely a suggestion.

Cedar Hill Rd. is a quieter parallel route but has long steep hills. I also note I have had two close calls on this road in the past few months where my bike actually contacted a turning vehicle but no damage was caused.
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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:09 AM

Although unrelated, the Bowker Creek Greenway may end up acting as an alternative to Shelbourne for cyclists. Construction connecting North Dairy with Knight Avenue has already begun and the long-term goal includes plans to buy up properties blocking the route parallel to Shelbourne.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 11:11 AM

And I'll go on record saying I refuse to cycle on Shelbourne for most of its length. The section between Hillside and Feltham is the worse, because of the extremely narrow curb lanes. South of Hillside isn't as bad, but with the much nicer Scott Street running parallel, I never have to use it.

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