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[Victoria Watcher]

Walmart seems to manage the challenges from their underground parking.

It’s not (yet) a mixed-use development. Nobody lives above the unloading trucks.

It’s been done at 1008 Pandora but they had a lot of room to work with and no grade change.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 22 December 2022 - 10:56 AM.

[Nparker]

Save-on-Foods manages it on Pandora.

[Victoria Watcher]

Flat. Lots of room. The Caledonia site offers neither. Can’t have trucks backing in off Douglas (traffic) or Caledonia (traffic and police).

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 22 December 2022 - 10:58 AM.

[Nparker]

Trucks have to go down a ramp at the Pandora Save-on-Foods from a very narrow street.

[Victoria Watcher]

Trucks have to go down a ramp at the Pandora Save-on-Foods from a very narrow street.

A street with a fraction of the traffic of Douglas or Caledonia.

[Nparker]

Why couldn't the delivery entrance be off of Discovery?

[Victoria Watcher]

Possibly it could be. There is a grade change issue that way too though. Discovery is quite a bit lower than Caledonia.

In a perfect world your deliveries arrive on the same floor as your shoppers are at. Yes if you are very large your can amortize the expense of the lift infastructure if that’s not possible. A smaller store likely can’t support that arrangement.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 22 December 2022 - 11:10 AM.

[Nparker]

Here is the site plan. Loading seems to be from Discovery.

[Ismo07]

Here is the site plan. Loading seems to be from Discovery.

 

Yeah they will be unloading under the store.  The natural elevation being lower on Discovery helps.

[Nparker]

And here's the location of the grocery store. A level above the Caledonia Street lobby.

 

[Victoria Watcher]

How much surface parking does this grocery store get?

[Nparker]

I imagine the more than 450 residents who will have direct access to the grocery store from their homes won't care much about surface parking.

[Victoria Watcher]

I imagine the more than 450 residents who will have direct access to the grocery store from their homes won't care much about surface parking.

You do know how large a population area is needed to support a grocery store, right?

[Victoria Watcher]

I’ll help:






About one for every 5,000 or 6,000 people.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 22 December 2022 - 03:27 PM.

[Nparker]

Did I suggest that ONLY the residents of the building would shop at this grocery store?

[Victoria Watcher]

Did I suggest that ONLY the residents of the building would shop at this grocery store?

You didn’t. But not many people that live on Gorge Road will take a bus here to shop. Since there might be no parking.

[Nparker]

In the not too distant future several hundred will live nearby in the Chatham-Herald "Spencer Block" project and likely hundreds more in Reliance Properties "Capital Iron" and environs proposal. 

And eventually the Rock Bay lands will see some sort of residential development.

 

[Ismo07]

How much surface parking does this grocery store get?

 

It's underground..  See above plan.  Customer parking enters same spot as deliveries.  Similar to Save On on Pandora.

[Victoria Watcher]

Maybe. If someone wants to go in and run a loss for a decade first.

[Ismo07]

In the not too distant future several hundred will live nearby in the Chatham-Herald "Spencer Block" project and likely hundreds more in Reliance Properties "Capital Iron" and environs proposal. 

And eventually the Rock Bay lands will see some sort of residential development.

 

And another few hundred on the old Fountain tire property...   There are also another many hundred within a couple blocks dying for a grocery store there.

Edited by Ismo07, 22 December 2022 - 03:52 PM.