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[Victoria Watcher]

How not to create affordable housing.

 

Well, they will tell you it's more affordable over time.

 

But that's not how people think.  Or we'd all buy $2,000 hot water heaters, metal roofs, and solid core doors.  

[Victoria Watcher]

News release today:

 

 

 

 

The City of Victoria will require all new construction to be zero carbon by 2025, part of its accelerated climate action plan to achieve an 80% reduction in community greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

 

This new requirement will take effect following the introduction of BC Building Code carbon pollution standards later this year. By July 2025, all new buildings in the city will be required to meet a zero carbon standard. This adoption will be about five years ahead of the expected Provincial requirements and is necessary for Victoria to meet the 2030 goals in its Climate Leadership Plan.

 

These requirements will largely eliminate greenhouse gas emissions from new buildings, accounting for up to 7 per cent of total community emissions reductions needed by 2050.

 

Victoria is one of the first municipalities in British Columbia to make all new construction zero carbon polluting and accelerate the transition away from fossil fuels for water and space heating.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 08 August 2022 - 12:01 PM.

[Mike K.]

Oh oh.

Suddenly the cost to build within the CoV has gone up.

What’s the financial impact here? $25k per unit? $50k? Who’s even counting?

[Nparker]

...Victoria is one of the first municipalities in British Columbia to make all new construction zero carbon polluting...

More virtue signalling that will accomplish nothing except to make housing even more unaffordable.

[Victoria Watcher]

One of the first? Or the first? Who’s ahead of us?

[Victoria Watcher]

Oh oh.

Suddenly the cost to build within the CoV has gone up.

What’s the financial impact here? $25k per unit? $50k? Who’s even counting?

2014 Canadian study:

The challenge for Urbandale is in how to create a package of greenness that is attractive and affordable. Cost is the main problem regarding energy efficient housing, as the incremental costs of these improvements are high.

Building an Energy Star home will cost an extra $8000 – $10 000, an R2000 home costs $30 000 – $40 000 and a net zero home costs $100 000 – $150 000. Canadians built roughly 200 000 new homes per year. In 2012, around 1400 of those homes are energy star certified. Less than 50 are R200 certified and about 15 are considered net-zero.

https://carleton.ca/...nt-willing-pay/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 08 August 2022 - 12:28 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

So $150,000 or more? That will make the missing middle discussions moot.

[dasmo]

So $150,000 or more? That will make the missing middle discussions moot.

The Step code will make SFH unaffordable except for the very wealthy. More intervention leads to less affordability. But the stakeholders must report back.... 

[Nparker]

The Step code will make SFH unaffordable except for the very wealthy. ..

So $150,000 or more? That will make the missing middle discussions moot.

MM housing has never been about affordability, despite what its proponents might say (or at least used to say).

[Barrrister]

It is a way to guarantee that all future housing is built and owned by government.

[spanky123]

Oh oh.

Suddenly the cost to build within the CoV has gone up.

What’s the financial impact here? $25k per unit? $50k? Who’s even counting?

 

So as a result of Pelosi's visit to Taiwan, China is pulling out of climate talks and commitments. As a result of the US instigated war in the Ukraine we have coal power and heating plants springing back to life. That should make CoV's new initiative extremely impactful.

[Victoria Watcher]

Almost all new construction in Victoria — from single-family homes to office and residential towers — will be required to be “zero carbon” producers by 2025, meaning they can’t be heated with fossil fuels such as natural gas, propane or fuel oil.

Citing concern about climate change and pollution, Victoria council has made the decision to accelerate the reduction of greenhouse gases in new buildings five years ahead of provincial requirements.

https://www.timescol...-change-5674566

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 09 August 2022 - 04:50 AM.

[spanky123]

^ But it is ok to use natural gas and oil to generate the electricity? Makes sense I guess as we all know that baseboard electric heating is by far the most economical way to heat your home and electric hot plates are by far the tastiest way to cook your food!

[dasmo]

“Each new building will last more than 50 years, so raising the bar now is critical to meeting our long-term climate goals, and to preparing the taxpayers of the future to have less climate-related costs down the road."

Zero accountability, zero proof, zero results. Net zero.

Edited by dasmo, 09 August 2022 - 07:15 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Electric baseboard heating is only efficient in terms of equipment cost. And yes theoretical efficiency.

But you can use heat pumps in our climate at least 330 days per year and be 2-3X more efficient than any form of electric resistive heating.

The difficulty is the backup you need for those other 35 days. You might need a secondary system.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 09 August 2022 - 05:08 AM.

[dasmo]

Sarcasm it was…

[Victoria Watcher]

Oh ya sorry.

The simplest way to net zero is less windows. Less windows wins every time.

[dasmo]

That’s a point that is often brought up. What happens when all the vehicles and all the houses are on the electricity grid for everything?
Hint:
Supply and demand.

[dasmo]

Oh ya sorry.

The simplest way to net zero is less windows. Less windows wins every time.

Bring back the window tax!

[Victoria Watcher]

Two costing analyses found that incremental capital costs for all building types fell within a range of 0.1 per cent in savings to increased costs up to 2.2 per cent. Operational cost impacts ranged from a savings of seven per cent to an annual increase of 2.2 per cent.


https://www.vicnews....f-b-c-timeline/




Those are fishy numbers.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 09 August 2022 - 05:12 AM.