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[rmpeers]

So what is the expected timeline for Cook St Phase 1?

[spanky123]

Totally different pots of gas tax. There are two:

Community Works Fund: give out to each muni on a per capita basis. This is what the bike lanes have been funded from (Saanich has also funded bike lanes from this)

Strategic Priorities Fund: this is a competitive fund throughout BC (ex. the Translink service area). This is where the Crystal Pool money is coming from (and where the JSB money comes from)

 

 

Phase 3/4 map

 

Yes but aren't the overruns with the bike lanes being funded by the second fund?

[mbjj]

So what is the expected timeline for Cook St Phase 1?

I'm dreading it. I hope never.

[rmpeers]

I'm dreading it. I hope never.

Is there or will there be any "consultation"? Last time I checked, I couldn't find any info.

[rjag]

Is there or will there be any "consultation"? 

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Coreyburger]

Is there or will there be any "consultation"? Last time I checked, I couldn't find any info.

 

You somehow missed several YEARS of consultation on the matter, front original routing work in 2015 and 2016 and final design work last year. Including multiple newspaper articles, online surveys, pop-up events, neighbourhood meetings.

[sebberry]

Maybe rmpeers means consultation where those who don't ride bikes feel heard?

[On the Level]

You somehow missed several YEARS of consultation on the matter, front original routing work in 2015 and 2016 and final design work last year. Including multiple newspaper articles, online surveys, pop-up events, neighbourhood meetings.

Well to be fair, if proper consultation was done, we wouldn't have the size issues for transit trying to use Pandora.  I think the point is that the "consultation" offered by the CoV is disingenuous.  Bike lanes will get rammed through as planned regardless of consultation. 

[VicHockeyFan]

You somehow missed several YEARS of consultation on the matter, front original routing work in 2015 and 2016 and final design work last year. Including multiple newspaper articles, online surveys, pop-up events, neighbourhood meetings.

So after all the consultation what did CSV residents and business say?

I’ll tell you. They are not interested in the lanes thank you very much. Keep your money.

But what’s the City response?

[sdwright.vic]

Gotta agree, you have have to be willing to listen when consulting. Not just go through the motions.

[Mike K.]

Remember when the City consulted tax payers on the bridge design with a public poll? They still chose the design they wanted, not the one people wanted.

[Hotel Mike]

Remember when the City consulted tax payers on the bridge design with a public poll? They still chose the design they wanted, not the one people wanted.

To be fair Mike, those "taxpayers" might have come from anywhere. There was nothing that indicated the feelings of actual Victoria taxpayers. 

[Mike K.]

To be fair Mike, those "taxpayers" might have come from anywhere. There was nothing that indicated the feelings of actual Victoria taxpayers. 

 

Excellent! I'm glad you raised this point, and I was hoping someone would.

 

The City of Victoria routinely collects feedback from individuals on its initiatives, and when asked how the feedback is vetted to ensure only residents/taxpayers chime in, the official position is that it's not necessary to differentiate between residents and non-residents.

 

So if we accept regional feedback on hyper-local issues on things like bike lanes and spending excess amounts of money, we can't turn around and negate similar feedback regarding other issues.

[Cats4Hire]

That's probably the biggest issue with all the municipalities. I bet a large percentage of the people using that bridge or Fort/Pandora day to day aren't CoV residents.

[Citified.ca]

Key stats:

 

• Johnson Street Bridge, eastbound/westbound: 7.5% decline, PM rush. 14% decline AM rush.
• Pandora Avenue westbound east of Blanshard Street: 21% decline PM rush.
• Johnson Street eastbound east of Blanshard Street: 48% decline PM rush between 2017 and 2014 (data not available for 2015 and 2016).

 

Downtown Victoria's Pandora Avenue bi-directional protected bicycle lane on a cold winter morning in February of this year. The Capital Regional District's October 2017 bicycle count at several downtown Victoria corridors shows a decline in cycling traffic compared to 2016, including along the newly-built Pandora Avenue bicycle lane.

 

CRD's October 2017 bicycle count shows decline in ridership along several downtown Victoria corridors

https://victoria.cit...oria-corridors/

[sdwright.vic]

Can't wait to hear the numerous "excuse" for this decrease in ridership.

[Mike K.]

Before we had counters, this is how ridership data was assessed. This is still how vehicle traffic is assessed (albeit with a strip across a road lane).

[Cats4Hire]

The obvious solution is to build more bike lanes. I propose we make Blanshard bikes only as well as lower Douglas to 2 lanes of cars with the rest for bikes. They can have the bus lanes too.

[On the Level]

The obvious solution is to build more bike lanes. I propose we make Blanshard bikes only as well as lower Douglas to 2 lanes of cars with the rest for bikes. They can have the bus lanes too.

 

Forget the bike lanes.....let's talk boat lanes!  

 

Let's make Victoria like Venice except without the crooked tower.  People can sleep on their boats.  People would have somewhere to toss abandoned shopping carts and weird green bikes.

[spanky123]

Can't wait to hear the numerous "excuse" for this decrease in ridership.

 

I know of at least one private group that has also done a count and found similar results. I don't think that there are too many viable excuses.