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#5881 rmpeers

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 11:27 PM

So what is the expected timeline for Cook St Phase 1?

#5882 spanky123

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 09:50 AM

Totally different pots of gas tax. There are two:

Community Works Fund: give out to each muni on a per capita basis. This is what the bike lanes have been funded from (Saanich has also funded bike lanes from this)

Strategic Priorities Fund: this is a competitive fund throughout BC (ex. the Translink service area). This is where the Crystal Pool money is coming from (and where the JSB money comes from)

 

 

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Yes but aren't the overruns with the bike lanes being funded by the second fund?



#5883 mbjj

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 03:55 PM

So what is the expected timeline for Cook St Phase 1?

I'm dreading it. I hope never.


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#5884 rmpeers

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 05:35 PM

I'm dreading it. I hope never.


Is there or will there be any "consultation"? Last time I checked, I couldn't find any info.

#5885 rjag

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 06:37 PM

Is there or will there be any "consultation"? 

 

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#5886 Coreyburger

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 08:49 PM

Is there or will there be any "consultation"? Last time I checked, I couldn't find any info.

 

You somehow missed several YEARS of consultation on the matter, front original routing work in 2015 and 2016 and final design work last year. Including multiple newspaper articles, online surveys, pop-up events, neighbourhood meetings.



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Posted 04 March 2018 - 09:51 PM

Maybe rmpeers means consultation where those who don't ride bikes feel heard?


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Posted 04 March 2018 - 09:55 PM

You somehow missed several YEARS of consultation on the matter, front original routing work in 2015 and 2016 and final design work last year. Including multiple newspaper articles, online surveys, pop-up events, neighbourhood meetings.

Well to be fair, if proper consultation was done, we wouldn't have the size issues for transit trying to use Pandora.  I think the point is that the "consultation" offered by the CoV is disingenuous.  Bike lanes will get rammed through as planned regardless of consultation. 


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Posted 04 March 2018 - 10:16 PM

You somehow missed several YEARS of consultation on the matter, front original routing work in 2015 and 2016 and final design work last year. Including multiple newspaper articles, online surveys, pop-up events, neighbourhood meetings.


So after all the consultation what did CSV residents and business say?

I’ll tell you. They are not interested in the lanes thank you very much. Keep your money.

But what’s the City response?
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#5890 sdwright.vic

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 06:46 AM

Gotta agree, you have have to be willing to listen when consulting. Not just go through the motions.
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#5891 Mike K.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 06:52 AM

Remember when the City consulted tax payers on the bridge design with a public poll? They still chose the design they wanted, not the one people wanted.
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#5892 Hotel Mike

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 08:47 AM

Remember when the City consulted tax payers on the bridge design with a public poll? They still chose the design they wanted, not the one people wanted.

To be fair Mike, those "taxpayers" might have come from anywhere. There was nothing that indicated the feelings of actual Victoria taxpayers. 


Don't be so sure.:cool:

#5893 Mike K.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 08:58 AM

To be fair Mike, those "taxpayers" might have come from anywhere. There was nothing that indicated the feelings of actual Victoria taxpayers. 

 

Excellent! I'm glad you raised this point, and I was hoping someone would.

 

The City of Victoria routinely collects feedback from individuals on its initiatives, and when asked how the feedback is vetted to ensure only residents/taxpayers chime in, the official position is that it's not necessary to differentiate between residents and non-residents.

 

So if we accept regional feedback on hyper-local issues on things like bike lanes and spending excess amounts of money, we can't turn around and negate similar feedback regarding other issues.


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#5894 Cats4Hire

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 09:02 AM

That's probably the biggest issue with all the municipalities. I bet a large percentage of the people using that bridge or Fort/Pandora day to day aren't CoV residents.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 11:38 AM

Key stats:

 

  • Johnson Street Bridge, eastbound/westbound: 7.5% decline, PM rush. 14% decline AM rush.
  • Pandora Avenue westbound east of Blanshard Street: 21% decline PM rush.
  • Johnson Street eastbound east of Blanshard Street: 48% decline PM rush between 2017 and 2014 (data not available for 2015 and 2016).

 

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Downtown Victoria's Pandora Avenue bi-directional protected bicycle lane on a cold winter morning in February of this year. The Capital Regional District's October 2017 bicycle count at several downtown Victoria corridors shows a decline in cycling traffic compared to 2016, including along the newly-built Pandora Avenue bicycle lane.

 

CRD's October 2017 bicycle count shows decline in ridership along several downtown Victoria corridors

https://victoria.cit...oria-corridors/


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:02 PM

Can't wait to hear the numerous "excuse" for this decrease in ridership.
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#5897 Mike K.

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:10 PM

Before we had counters, this is how ridership data was assessed. This is still how vehicle traffic is assessed (albeit with a strip across a road lane).

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#5898 Cats4Hire

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 06:39 PM

The obvious solution is to build more bike lanes. I propose we make Blanshard bikes only as well as lower Douglas to 2 lanes of cars with the rest for bikes. They can have the bus lanes too.



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Posted 08 March 2018 - 10:12 PM

The obvious solution is to build more bike lanes. I propose we make Blanshard bikes only as well as lower Douglas to 2 lanes of cars with the rest for bikes. They can have the bus lanes too.

 

Forget the bike lanes.....let's talk boat lanes!  

 

Let's make Victoria like Venice except without the crooked tower.  People can sleep on their boats.  People would have somewhere to toss abandoned shopping carts and weird green bikes.


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 10:30 PM

Can't wait to hear the numerous "excuse" for this decrease in ridership.

 

I know of at least one private group that has also done a count and found similar results. I don't think that there are too many viable excuses. 


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