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#281 Mike K.

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Posted 23 November 2020 - 08:40 AM

from that link

 

"One way we can do this is to honour the ancient indigenous practice of returning the dying trees to their ancestral communities. Having lived their natural life, they will return “home,” where they will be used, amongst other things, to provide warmth and light. We have much to learn about not wasting the gifts of nature.  "

 

 

I guess no other cultures have learned to use a tree cut down for building houses, making furniture, for firewood, etc.    

 

As I was reading that, I was thinking, "it looks like they'll use the fallen trees as compost in an urban forest, which sounds alright."

 

...then in the next sentence we learn it's becoming firewood. So I'm not even sure what they're talking about. Are they saying the firewood will be delivered to one of the First Nations nearby to be used as firewood, or to a rural part of our region to be used as firewood? It's a bit confusing. And who wastes firewood even in our society? It's scooped up asap by people with wood stoves. Nothing is wasted.


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#282 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 23 November 2020 - 08:41 AM

to provide warmth and light.  that's great doublespeak.



#283 LJ

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Posted 23 November 2020 - 08:57 PM

Firewood/Climate emergency....are those compatible?


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Posted 23 November 2020 - 10:30 PM

in it's relatively short (geologic time) lifetime a tree removes co2 from the air, sequesters it briefly, and then releases it back into the environment. 

 

if you burn the wood the co2 is released relatively quickly - but there is an energy benefit if it keeps some people warm, cooks some food, etc. (i ignore other by-products of combustion as co2 is the main point here)

 

if you chip/mulch it the c02 is relased more slowly as the mulch decomposes over time but there can be benefits to mulching as well. (here i ignore other by-products of decomp, - methane, ammonia, etc - for the same reason)

 

if you let the log/tree lie where it falls - the decomp is even slower, with more or less the same story as mulch - but the benefits are different - wildlife habitat improvement, nurse logs, etc.

 

in all these cases however, the fact remains that the relative time frame,from take-up to release, is insignificant as regards any climate emergency.

 

this has been termed a current carbohydrate balance - where sequestration of co2 and re-release occur over a short timeframe

 

compare this to the 50+ million years it takes for oil to form from buried plant materials and it's sudden release over the short timeframe since the beginning of the industrial revolution, say the last 200 years

 

conflating things like firewood, purpose grown xmas trees, building lumber, pulp and paper, and so on with the massive impacts of utilisation of fossil fuels is a poor argument - not that it isn't made all the time.

 

"One way we can do this is to honour the ancient indigenous practice of returning the dying trees to their ancestral communities. Having lived their natural life, they will return “home,” where they will be used, amongst other things, to provide warmth and light. We have much to learn about not wasting the gifts of nature.  "

 

but nonsensical fairy tales like those above are just silly


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#285 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 14 December 2020 - 03:28 PM

Ottawa announces $3.16 billion to plant two billion trees over the next decade

https://www.ctvnews....ecade-1.5230845



#286 Mike K.

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Posted 14 December 2020 - 06:50 PM

How many trees will nature plant per the next decade?
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#287 LJ

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Posted 14 December 2020 - 08:48 PM

How many has Trudeau planted so far? He promised this back in 2019.


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Posted 14 December 2020 - 09:33 PM

How many has Trudeau planted so far? He promised this back in 2019.


According to the article, the plan was announced in 2019 but only funded just now. So no trees yet.

#289 Matt R.

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Posted 14 December 2020 - 10:16 PM

Firewood/Climate emergency....are those compatible?


Wood heat is carbon neutral.

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#290 Mike K.

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Posted 15 December 2020 - 06:24 AM

And far more forests burn naturally every year than burn in fireplaces.

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#291 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 08 June 2021 - 06:54 AM

Every Victoria-owned tree and its condition can be found online

Open dataset lets people pinpoint boulevard trees; other city datasets available for viewing

https://www.vicnews....e-found-online/



#292 Danma

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 12:50 PM

This data for Langford will be easy at the current rate, in a few years there'll be like 7 left  :banana:


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#293 Rob Randall

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Posted 09 June 2021 - 12:58 PM

^No prob, he'll replace them with fake tree cell towers.

 

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“I mean I just don’t understand the big Texas part, like maybe he’s from Texas? I want to know the back story.”


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Posted 09 June 2021 - 01:23 PM

^No prob, he'll replace them with fake tree cell towers.

 

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Surrounded by astroturf and green painted concrete?


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