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[Mike K.]

Indeed, while the popular vote in Canada went to the Conservatives despite the negative branding courtesy of so much of the media and special interest groups.

[Jason-L]

Indeed, while the popular vote in Canada went to the Conservatives despite the negative branding courtesy of so much of the media and special interest groups.

 

By my calculation, some 64% of the population opted to vote against the Conservatives, so I'm not sure we can say they "won" the popular vote.  And if you do a breakdown of seats based on the popular vote, the Liberals + NDP seats would definitely outnumber the Conservatives (and even Conservatives + BQ) in Parliament. 

 

So hopefully we can derail the narrative that the Conservatives in anyway represent the majority of Canadians.

Edited by Jason-L, 23 October 2019 - 10:46 AM.

[Jackerbie]

It would seem, though, that based on the election results conservatives rejected those views by not re-electing Bernier or a single MP for the People’s Party, which could be argued split on the basis of immigration and culture-related issues.

 

Insert cheesy joke here

[Awaiting Juno]

By my calculation, some 64% of the population opted to vote against the Conservatives, so I'm not sure we can say they "won" the popular vote.  And if you do a breakdown of seats based on the popular vote, the Liberals + NDP seats would definitely outnumber the Conservatives (and even Conservatives + BQ) in Parliament. 

 

So hopefully we can derail the narrative that the Conservatives in anyway represent the majority of Canadians.

 

Except for those compelled to vote liberal because they could not "swallow" the regressive social attitudes that seem part and parcel of the current conservative package.  I think far fewer Canadians are truly as "progressive" as the numbers voting NDP, Green and Liberal may suggest.

[Jackerbie]

By my calculation, some 64% of the population opted to vote against the Conservatives, so I'm not sure we can say they "won" the popular vote.  And if you do a breakdown of seats based on the popular vote, the Liberals + NDP seats would definitely outnumber the Conservatives (and even Conservatives + BQ) in Parliament. 

 

So hopefully we can derail the narrative that the Conservatives in anyway represent the majority of Canadians.

 

I like the ice cream analogy. Vanilla won the popular vote, but the chocolate vote was split among chocolate almond, chocolate walnut, and chocolate pecan. They agreed on chocolate, just not which nuts they wanted with it.

[Rob Randall]

I'm certain there are local people that disliked the conservative party and voted Liberal even though there weren't any competitive ridings here because either (a) they wanted to add to the LIberal's popular vote count or (b) they're unengaged voters that were under the impression a Liberal vote would support Trudeau and weaken Scheer. Or something like that. There are a lot of voters that don't quite get how the system works. 

[RFS]

I'm certain there are local people that disliked the conservative party and voted Liberal even though there weren't any competitive ridings here because either (a) they wanted to add to the LIberal's popular vote count or (b) they're unengaged voters that were under the impression a Liberal vote would support Trudeau and weaken Scheer. Or something like that. There are a lot of voters that don't quite get how the system works.

Exactly. Voting is complicated. There are also a lot of people who vote inexplicably for parties that they personally do not agree with on any level. There are a lot of very right wing people who vote ndp especially rurally. Voting is also very regional. How many red neck Newfie’s voted liberal? When polled on the issues the majority of people often hold views that the parties don’t reflect at all for instance on immigration

[Victoria Watcher]

Bed Bath & Beyond has removed black jack-o’-lanterns from sale after a News 12 investigation that stemmed from complaints in Nyack about the product.

 

A Halloween display in front of a law firm was taken down in Nyack because the jack-o'-lanterns upset some community members. The jack-o’-lanterns are painted black with a white mouth.

 

 

http://westchester.n...laints-in-nyack

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 23 October 2019 - 03:27 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says a new gender-balanced cabinet will be sworn in Nov. 20, giving him four weeks to figure out how Alberta and Saskatchewan will be represented at the table.

 

“This is something that I take very seriously as a responsibility to ensure that we are moving forward in ways that benefit all Canadians,” Trudeau said Wednesday in his first news conference since Monday’s election. 

 

The Liberals were wiped off the electoral map in Alberta and Saskatchewan with Conservatives winning all but one riding between those two provinces. The blue sweep pushed out two high-profile Liberal incumbents, cabinet ministers Ralph Goodale from Regina and Edmonton’s Amarjeet Sohi.

 

https://www.huffingt...XGM4nHU8DnbBFJL

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 23 October 2019 - 04:04 PM.

[Tom Braybrook]

Sadly that's what the conservative brand means to many Canadians.  It's become a slur, in no small part due to our neighbour to the South who has tarnished the reputation of being conservative.

...and this is unfortunate...but the key moment is clear...the takeover of the progressive conservatives by the western reform movement. since that date there has been a steady erosion in the "progressive" aspects of conservatism...and has pushed many people away...

 

peter mckay where are you?

 

disclaimer; joe clark is my wife's 2nd cousin

[Cats4Hire]

They should have stayed "Canadian Reform Alliance Party". Might have been able to shake that "Conservative" label then and maybe get some young people voting for the CRAP party!

[AllseeingEye]

...and this is unfortunate...but the key moment is clear...the takeover of the progressive conservatives by the western reform movement. since that date there has been a steady erosion in the "progressive" aspects of conservatism...and has pushed many people away...

 

peter mckay where are you?

 

disclaimer; joe clark is my wife's 2nd cousin

Absolutely, me being one of them. I've been saying this for months on my social media: this Scheer-led lot is no more progressive conservative than I am a threat to erase Wayne Gretzky's NHL scoring records.

 

Robert Stanfield must be rolling in his grave watching these so-called 'conservatives', who are nothing but poorly disguised Reform zealots. And I'm certain Clark, a well known Red Tory, must privately walk around with his jaw hanging open in disgusted amazement. Which is why I couldn't vote for them this time. Certainly there are whispers that McKay might take a run for the leadership down the line, in which case I'd revisit the notion of supporting the party again.

 

As it stands though now, and as Andrew Cohen has pointed out, in terms of backroom influence within the <cough> 'Conservative' party, the shadow of Jason Kenney looms large.

Edited by AllseeingEye, 23 October 2019 - 04:58 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

conservatives won election in 2006 2008 and 2011.  not so far away everyone.  no big deal.  they'll likely win the next one also.

[RFS]

Reform elements got elected. PC elements lost. Scheer is the issue, not conservatism.

[Wayne]

...and this is unfortunate...but the key moment is clear...the takeover of the progressive conservatives by the western reform movement. since that date there has been a steady erosion in the "progressive" aspects of conservatism...and has pushed many people away...

 

peter mckay where are you?

 

disclaimer; joe clark is my wife's 2nd cousin

 

Peter Mckay?

 

Still crying over Belinda.

[JimV]

Reform elements got elected. PC elements lost. Scheer is the issue, not conservatism.

I think the issue goes well beyond Scheer. I think Humpty Dumpty has had a great fall.

There are at least four great fissures in the body politic:
- climate change
- energy policy
- Quebec
- FN rights
They all contradict each other. There is no solution that can simultaneously reconcile the advocates for each cause.

Canada never made any sense geographically. It held together because of a common culture, vestigial loyalty to the mother country (at least in the Anglo regions), and fear of the republic to the south.

The common culture is gone and papering over the cracks isn't going to work anymore. None of the current leaders have what it takes to restore a sense of unity and even if some truly exceptional and charismatic personality appeared it would only be a temporary solution.

The direction, I think, is towards the disintegration of the country into regions where people feel more or less comfortable with each other.

[LJ]

Rex Murphy's take...

 

https://nationalpost...-now-its-molten

[AllseeingEye]

I think the issue goes well beyond Scheer. I think Humpty Dumpty has had a great fall.

There are at least four great fissures in the body politic:
- climate change
- energy policy
- Quebec
- FN rights
They all contradict each other. There is no solution that can simultaneously reconcile the advocates for each cause.

Canada never made any sense geographically. It held together because of a common culture, vestigial loyalty to the mother country (at least in the Anglo regions), and fear of the republic to the south.

The common culture is gone and papering over the cracks isn't going to work anymore. None of the current leaders have what it takes to restore a sense of unity and even if some truly exceptional and charismatic personality appeared it would only be a temporary solution.

The direction, I think, is towards the disintegration of the country into regions where people feel more or less comfortable with each other.

.......that reason being by far Numero Uno certainly for the first fifty years or so. As one historian said some years ago re: this country "the mere existence of......railroads and hockey" aren't necessarily the most fundamentally sound conditions for the binding together from coast to coast of such a huge and diverse land.....

 

Interesting take on present day Canada for sure. In terms of "distinct" regions we certainly have several - the Maritimes, Quebec (of course!), Ontario, which sees itself as the center of Everything, the Prairie region, BC, and last but certainly not least the Far North.

 

You could make a good case in fact and go even more granular: within the Maritime region Newfoundland is certainly a unique and many would say distinct society, and increasingly so too Alberta when looking at "Prairie" Canada. And almost without exception all of the above feel to one extent or another they are getting the short end of the stick from Ottawa.

 

It would be fascinating to be able to come back and see where this confederation is in a hundred years.....

Edited by AllseeingEye, 23 October 2019 - 08:16 PM.

[RFS]

I think the issue goes well beyond Scheer. I think Humpty Dumpty has had a great fall.

There are at least four great fissures in the body politic:
- climate change
- energy policy
- Quebec
- FN rights
They all contradict each other. There is no solution that can simultaneously reconcile the advocates for each cause.

Canada never made any sense geographically. It held together because of a common culture, vestigial loyalty to the mother country (at least in the Anglo regions), and fear of the republic to the south.

The common culture is gone and papering over the cracks isn't going to work anymore. None of the current leaders have what it takes to restore a sense of unity and even if some truly exceptional and charismatic personality appeared it would only be a temporary solution.

The direction, I think, is towards the disintegration of the country into regions where people feel more or less comfortable with each other.

You nailed it

[Victoria Watcher]

Four people have been arrested and charged in connection with a protest outside a People's Party of Canada event featuring Maxime Bernier in Hamilton on Sept. 29.

One of those charged by Hamilton police is a man whose Toronto family restaurant closed temporarily this month after receiving a barrage of death threats and hate mail.


https://www.cbc.ca/n...rests-1.5331920