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The Haro
Uses: condo, commercial
Address: 5120-5144 Cordova Bay Road
Municipality: Saanich
Region: Urban core
Storeys: 4
Condo units: 86 (1BR, 2BR, sub-penthouse, penthouse)
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[Saanich] 5120-5144 Cordova Bay Road | Condos; commercial | 4, 4 and 4-storeys | Proposed


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#41 Cassidy

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 10:49 AM

Although I'm completely for a limited development of the area, the rendering of the shopping centre proposal is ridiculously huge, and will never be accepted by the locals. It's totally out of place in the neighborhood.

 

Even though the neighborhood is hardly untouched in terms of development (see Sayward Hill, Matticks Wood, and Hill Rise just to the immediate South of Sayward Hill), these local residents don't want to actually LOOK at the development, they want it either hidden away in the trees, or invisible over a tall rise.

 

The development of the two houses on Doumac should proceed as is, it will be a nice addition to the block and there's nothing to preserve in a couple of old dumps.

 

The development of the shopping centre requires a complete re-do, as it's way too tall, and has grossly inappropriate massing for the location.

This shopping centre location doesn't permit the development to "hide" like Sayward Hill or Matticks Wood, so the building will have to reflect the rural, beach community, "away from the madding crowds" feel that folks who live in Cordova Bay definitely want to maintain.

 

Something needs to be done in Cordova Bay Village to actually make it into a Village (it isn't really anything right now), and there's not a lot of opportunity to do much in the surrounding area (the shopping centre, the old gas station lot that's been empty for years now) and an old shack here and there that can be torn down are all that come to mind.

Perhaps the old grocery store by the Cordova Bay Park (the one on the beach) to the East could be redeveloped into something nice, but other than the shopping centre, those kinds of lots are relatively tiny despite whatever zoning might let them be something other than a SFD.

 

I support the "back to the drawing board" concept for the proposed redevelopment of the shopping centre ... if only because what's proposed will NEVER fly with the local residents.



#42 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 10:56 AM

Is the gas station site just sitting out the required however many years of fallow?  It seems to me there has to be a better way to deal with these.


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#43 Cassidy

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 11:06 AM

It seems to me that the gas station lot has been sitting there a good many years longer than a typical gas station tear-down lot normally has to sit empty.


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Posted 11 April 2017 - 11:15 AM

The one at Shelbourne and McKenzie and the tiny lot at Uptown are also long-timers.


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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:04 PM

The pollution under the gas station in Cordova Bay is much worse than just a normal remediation.
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#46 thundergun

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:08 PM

There's another one ~500m North across from Cordova Bay Elementary @ Fenn Ave. as well that's been idle for a looong time.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 01:02 PM

The one at Shelbourne and McKenzie and the tiny lot at Uptown are also long-timers.

The fence has been gone for some time at the Shelbourne/Mckenzie location, making me wonder if there will be something happening there sometime soon.



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Posted 11 April 2017 - 05:31 PM

The pollution under the gas station in Cordova Bay is much worse than just a normal remediation.


Which gas station site are you referring to; the old Pay Less or Esso? The Pay Less site has been gone for probably 25-30 years I'm guessing and the Esso station probably 20'ish years.

#49 weisguy86

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 08:53 PM

Which gas station site are you referring to; the old Pay Less or Esso? The Pay Less site has been gone for probably 25-30 years I'm guessing and the Esso station probably 20'ish years.

 

Actually the Esso only closed about 10 years ago.



#50 3isenough

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 09:32 PM

Actually the Esso only closed about 10 years ago.


Crazy, I could have sworn it was longer than that. I lived in CB in the early 90s and remember it being there and thought maybe it was shut down not long after I moved away. I moved back into the area 7 years ago.

Quick Google search and Payless was still there in 1990, looking to possibly open a convenience store (it was a really small station, 2 pumps I believe?). That surely would have ruffled some Cordova Bay feathers; slurpees and penny candy.

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Posted 11 April 2017 - 09:34 PM

If you don't think it is time for some Cordova Bay gas station lore just start booing or something but here goes.

 

I the 60's there were 3 garages. The Seaview Plaza Chevron was located at the North East corner of the shopping centre and they specialized in working on import and sports cars. The Cordova Bay Garage was located across Dumac between the road and the little General Store. It was a Shell station and later a Payless. When it was a Shell station it was owned by Garnett Reviere who lived 2 doors down from the corner of Parker and across the street from the Texaco station which morphed into the Esso. The Texaco station was owned by Lyle Steer (AKA Liquid Lyle).

 

The Chevron was the first to close in the mid 60's and the Esso was the last to go about 10 years ago as mentioned above. Rumour has it that the sandy loam makeup of the soil conditions has made for the perfect storm of firstly absorbing any impurities that may have found their way into the ground and then holding onto those impurities for dear life (kinda like a sponge).


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#52 Cassidy

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 08:03 AM

What exactly does leaving a gas station lot sit empty for ten or 15 years do?

 

I don't recall seeing any major excavating work take place at the old Esso site, such as they did in Rock Bay.

Do they remove the old soil (or sandy loam), or does leaving it sit empty accomplish something of which I'm completely in the dark?

 

(another somewhat large gas station lot that's sat empty for 20+ years is the one at the corner of Cedar Hill X Road and Blenkinsop)



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 08:09 AM

What exactly does leaving a gas station lot sit empty for ten or 15 years do?

 

I'd love to hear the reasoning behind this. And are there other methods to address these issues, like digging up contaminated soil and moving it elsewhere so development can happen sooner? You have to think some of these sites are worth a pretty penny in today's crazed market. If the contamination issue could be solved with money, I'd expect we would have seen that by now, right?



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Posted 12 April 2017 - 08:12 AM

For all your gas station lore needs: http://vibrantvictor...ts-they-become/


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#55 Cassidy

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 10:19 AM

Thanks for that link - full of good info, but it still sort of leaves the question open as to exactly what the lot sitting empty accomplishes over 10 or 15 years.

For example, presuming the site is contaminated, does leaving it sit there empty wash the pollutants away with naturally falling rain? ... to where do the pollutants "wash away" to?

 

Wouldn't the groundwater clear up regardless of whether the site is empty or has a building on it?

 

Or is there some sort of naturally occurring breakdown of gas and oil that takes place, and some sort of additional legal requirement to continue to test the open land to confirm that breakdown is taking place?

 

In my experience gas and oil don't break down at all, regardless of how much time has passed.

When they finally did develop the old gas station site at Herald and Government, the smell of gas and oil overpowered the entire block for the month or two that the site was being excavated for the new condos. Only when they began to pour the concrete foundations and parkade floor did the oil and gas reek abate. 

But the soil that generated that smell is all still sitting there, underneath the concrete foundations and floor. They took lots of soil away, but it still stunk to high heaven the day they poured the foundations.

 

I relate the above having walked by that site everyday for years, starting with the tear-down of the gas station, the remediation process, and the construction of the condos. (BTW - despite the exterior looking the contrary ... it's a completely wood framed building from top to bottom, and thus you'll hear your neighbors footsteps and "banging about" through every floor and every wall).



#56 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 10:24 AM

Ya, you'd think capping it with concrete would be fine.  

 

Dunno.  Do we have any environmental technologists on this forum?


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 10:39 AM

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 09:30 AM

There is a public hearing this coming Tuesday September 12 at 7:00 PM in the Saanich Council Chambers to discuss the rezoning of two Doumac properties to allow a 4 story 25 unit condominium. 

 

Details here. http://www.saanich.c...ordova-bay.html

 

There is a local group that does not seem to support this type of growth in the neighbourhood. I for one think that it is ideal. I have sent the following letter of support to clerksec@saanich.ca If you live in the area or you just want to share your opinions, I suggest you do so.

 

 

Re: D.2. Zoning Bylaw 2003, Amendment Bylaw 2016, No. 9412 Rezone 986 and 990 Doumac Avenue

 

Dear Mayor and Council

 

I would like to declare my support for this project, and agree with the recommendation to approve submitted by the planning staff.

 

I grew up in Cordova Bay and worked in Cordova Bay some 45-50 years ago. During that period there seemed to be a lot more activity in the region, but this has been declining over the years. At the time there were three gas stations, many stores and shops, a barber shop, and even a doctor’s office. Over the years since then, this vibrant neighbourhood has continued to diminish.

 

The late Mrs. Life, a long-time resident and business woman of Cordova Bay, acquired the two subject properties when she owned and operated the old general store as a pottery and arts store. She envisioned that one day they would be developed into a multi-residential building that would add to the area’s population. This proposed project would accomplish that vision.

 

I can appreciate that there will be some respondents that would like to convince you that this type of growth is inappropriate for their neighbourhood, but I urge you to question the reasons of why they might take such a position, and decide for yourself if this project would add or detract from the community as a whole.

 

This site is ideal for improvement. If not here, then where? If not now, then when?

 

Thank you for your time and consideration.


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#59 Wayne

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Posted 09 September 2017 - 01:08 PM

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"I grew up in Cordova Bay and worked in Cordova Bay some 45-50 years ago. During that period there seemed to be a lot more activity in the region, but this has been declining over the years. At the time there were three gas stations, many stores and shops, a barber shop, and even a doctor’s office. Over the years since then, this vibrant neighbourhood has continued to diminish."

Currently there are stores, shops, barber shops (x 2) and yes, a doctor's office. Missing the 3 X gas stations.

The site is ideal for improvement and needs it, but maybe not at such a large scale. This neighborhood is vibrant and at times, much too busy.

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Posted 10 September 2017 - 07:49 AM

I admittedly have not read ALL the posts in this thread but I wanted to add something as a former resident.  We lived on the beach - nicest in Vic at low tide for sure (hidden gem alert).  Which is also on CB Rd.  Its busy.  Not the whole neighbourhood mind you, but CB Rd is very very busy at certain times of the day.  It a geography issue in my mind.  I hated driving up and on that ridge every day and avoided it whenever possible. Plus everyone who has local knowledge takes that route if they are coming from E Saanich to C Saanich - over vice versa.  There is no solution to that.  Its a 2 lane road that is just very busy and will continue to get busier.  That is what the locals hate.  The density in Gordon Head and Saanichton is as much to blame as the density in CB.  Its not really 'fixable' without 'traffic calming' measures. In my opinion the community desperately needs some walkable retail alternatives to Matticks so people will get out of their cars and enjoy that lovely area.

 

And I do not want to start a flame war here but the actual problem - in my opinion - with the whole city traffic issue has nothing to do with density.  The tech and programming for our traffic lights in the worst I have seen in my life.  I have traveled extensively.  We don't have a volume problem.  We need to 'relieve' everyone in charge of traffic flow in the entire CRD and start again.  I love the bike alternative but the city is growing up and they need to start looking at smarter lights.  The locals know the routes that avoid the detestable non-sensical lights (you know the ones that pile 100 cars in one direction while no one crosses in the other) and many of those 'best' routes go through quiet family neighbourhoods.  Fix the lights, and you fix the problems. 


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