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#1 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 09:55 AM

Green in the building footprint, red is the realigned sidewalk.

 

 

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Edited by VicHockeyFan, 05 October 2017 - 09:56 AM.

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#2 Nparker

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 09:57 AM

Downtown land is too pricey for affordable housing. Time to look elsewhere in the region.



#3 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:01 AM

When I look at the base of the new building, looking at it from the existing apartment (more or less, or looking at it more from the Vancouver sidewalk I guess), the parking that is preserved for the use of the existing apartment building looks like this:

 

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So there is no disruption to the existing apartment lot, except temporary loss of a few spots during the concrete foundation/first floor pour.


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 05 October 2017 - 10:04 AM.

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#4 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:01 AM

Downtown land is too pricey for affordable housing. Time to look elsewhere in the region.

 

This land is "free", it's already owned by the City and by the existing apartment building.


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#5 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:06 AM

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#6 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:11 AM

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So remember, my new building takes all this space, including where the existing sidewalk is now.  There is no setback, it comes right up to the new sidewalk, which is one sidewalk-width into Mason St. now.

 

 


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#7 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:18 AM

Now, I had an architect buddy make up some crude drawings for me.  So this is the elevation looking from Vancouver St.

 

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Aqua is the outline of the living area, it's 3 floors, walk-up.  You can see the red car parked under the new building, it belongs to a tenant in the existing building.

 

Blue is Mason Street, Yellow is my new sidewalk.


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 05 October 2017 - 10:19 AM.

<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

#8 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:25 AM

Now, please do not fear my new zero setback, the most beloved area of the city features them and they are great!

 

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#9 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:28 AM

But VHF!!!   What will it look like at the street, right at the sidewalk?

 

Well I'm glad you asked, so I'll go back to my parent's homeland and show you how it'll look...

 

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#10 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:29 AM

Except mine will be 3 floors, all quite narrow units and will have a flat roof.


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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:29 AM

^ It's red brick so it should sail through Council, right?


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#12 Nparker

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:30 AM

I have no fear of zero setbacks, in fact, I kinda like them. I just don't see why my neighbourhood needs to take on any more low-budget crap shacks. Yup, I am playing the NIMBY card. I am sure there are some lovely boulevards in Fairfield that could accommodate this sort of project.


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#13 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 10:33 AM

I have no fear of zero setbacks, in fact, I kinda like them. I just don't see why my neighbourhood needs to take on any more low-budget crap shacks. Yup, I am playing the NIMBY card. I am sure there are some lovely boulevards in Fairfield that could accommodate this sort of project.

 

This is all private, market rents, nparker. These units will be 2-3 very small bedrooms and rent for market rates.  There is no government involvement save for allowing this form and density, waiving or reducing some fees, moving utilities if required and giving up some land.  Government will also facilitate allowing this new building to encroach permanently on the other existing lot.  The new building developer and the owner of the existing apartment work out a compensation plan for that among themselves.


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 05 October 2017 - 10:36 AM.

<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

#14 Nparker

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:09 AM

If it's market rates it's not really what is deemed "affordable". 

 

But it's all a moot point. This would never get past the NPNA. Look what they did with that tiny Balmoral proposal.



#15 Love the rock

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:11 AM

Can someone answer me this .
How much affordable housing is the right balance in GV or any Canadian city for that matter.
Obviously people will flock to anywhere where they think they can have an easier /
better life if they don't have strong ties to their present community .
When did we become a society so reliant on government to solve our financial problems.
Everyone knows someone who's manipulating the system.
Where is the balance between no income ,low income and affordable housing.
We've seen over and over hard luck stories published that turn out to be half truths.
Maybe higher standards to qualify for supportive housing.
I really don't know where I stand .

#16 Nparker

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:26 AM

Vancouver, Toronto and to a lesser extent Victoria ,will never truly have "affordable" housing - at least not based on the current definition of affordable. The demand to live in these places is simply too strong. What do you suppose the reaction would be if all levels of government said they could build a plethora of affordable housing, but it was all going to be in Port Alberni?



#17 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:42 AM

If it's market rates it's not really what is deemed "affordable". 

 

But it's all a moot point. This would never get past the NPNA. Look what they did with that tiny Balmoral proposal.

 

It's affordable as they are mandated to be very small.  


<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

#18 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:44 AM

Can someone answer me this .
How much affordable housing is the right balance in GV or any Canadian city for that matter.
Obviously people will flock to anywhere where they think they can have an easier /
better life if they don't have strong ties to their present community .
When did we become a society so reliant on government to solve our financial problems.
Everyone knows someone who's manipulating the system.
Where is the balance between no income ,low income and affordable housing.
We've seen over and over hard luck stories published that turn out to be half truths.
Maybe higher standards to qualify for supportive housing.
I really don't know where I stand .

 

My plan only means less red tape, less restrictions and giving up a tiny bit of otherwise unusable land.  It's all Wins.

 

Unless you think this strip of grass is really serving the community and Victoria taxpayers well right now.

 

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Edited by VicHockeyFan, 05 October 2017 - 11:45 AM.

<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

#19 Love the rock

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:44 AM

Vancouver, Toronto and to a lesser extent Victoria ,will never truly have "affordable" housing - at least not based on the current definition of affordable. The demand to live in these places is simply too strong. What do you suppose the reaction would be if all levels of government said they could build a plethora of affordable housing, but it was all going to be in Port Alberni?

I agree if I was low income or homeless in the US and Hawaii was building more supportive housing you can bet I'd find a way to move there.
Even tho it's expensive.

#20 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:46 AM

Vancouver, Toronto and to a lesser extent Victoria ,will never truly have "affordable" housing - at least not based on the current definition of affordable. The demand to live in these places is simply too strong. What do you suppose the reaction would be if all levels of government said they could build a plethora of affordable housing, but it was all going to be in Port Alberni?

 

I can build units for $60,000 to $80,000 each if government gets out of my way.


Edited by VicHockeyFan, 05 October 2017 - 11:47 AM.

<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><em><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">"I don’t need a middle person in my pizza slice transaction" <strong>- zoomer, April 17, 2018</strong></span></em></span>

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