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[rmpeers]

As much as we should respect animals, the councillor was elected to represent the human population. And there are one or two issues, human-wise, that could use some attention. I realize it may not be my place to ask a very very smart Historian to step briefly out of his ivory tower and spare a thought for the humans, but just an idea.

Edited by rmpeers, 14 September 2019 - 06:01 PM.

[Belleprincess]

Anyone see the latest post on new councils Facebook page? Re isitt

[Coreyburger]

Anyone see the latest post on new councils Facebook page? Re isitt

 

New council: We got nobody elected, so let's go after the poll leader for three terms running. That's sure to get votes! Seriously, if you disagree with Isitt, I get it, but be smarter.

[Belleprincess]

New council: We got nobody elected, so let's go after the poll leader for three terms running. That's sure to get votes! Seriously, if you disagree with Isitt, I get it, but be smarter.

I don’t think they’re going after him, he just sticks his foot in his mouth on the regular

[Coreyburger]

I don’t think they’re going after him, he just sticks his foot in his mouth on the regular

 

The only reason they would put that quote up on their FB page would be to drum up attacks on him.

[Belleprincess]

The only reason they would put that quote up on their FB page would be to drum up attacks on him.

Or to educate voters about his mindset

[Coreyburger]

Or to educate voters about his mindset

 

The man has topped the polls for several terms, all the while being totally unapologetic socialist. I'm quite sure voters know exactly who he is. If you want to change council, clearly that isn't the tactic that's going to work

[rmpeers]

The man has topped the polls for several terms, all the while being totally unapologetic socialist. I'm quite sure voters know exactly who he is. If you want to change council, clearly that isn't the tactic that's going to work

I think it's similar to Trump, where you have a growing number of people just gobsmacked in disbelief that so many people continue to support someone who... well, both individuals records are well documented.

And in both cases, its true that pointing out the buffoonery that seems self evident to so many of us seems sadly unlikely to change the minds of the devoted followers.

[Mike K.]

Isitt wrote “I vote because humanity needs to transition immediately to socialism with ecology, and defeat the rising current of fascism in Canada and other lands.” It’s unclear what context it was in and when exactly he wrote it.

What’s with all the fascism rhetoric lately? The whole schtick about anyone disagreeing with the left’s platform being labelled “alt-right” and a racist/fascist is getting long in the tooth. What gives Isitt the sense that there is a rising current of fascism?

Is it people rising up against his attempt to ban horse carriages?

The outcry over his motion to remove Christmas decorations?

Veterans getting upset when he asked the feds to pay for Victoria’s Memorial Day ceremony?

Opposition to his opposition of the Invictus Games?

Complaints about his nearly $450 in extra meal costs, in addition to his taxpayer funded trips in 2019?

Jokes about the time Mayor Helps told him to pack a lunch when he asked for $10,000 in lunches at council meetings?

Asking the City to properly fund the police department?

Questioning the level of violence on our streets relevant to an open-arms social services industry?

Questioning the motivation behind landlords being accused of manipulating the housing industry?

The practicality of a City of Victoria housing agency?

Agreeing that we need an expanded pipeline?

Disbelieving the City would issue a letter threatening legal action against Venezuela over its oil industry?

[mbjj]

I don't think some people do know what Isitt is all about and that's the problem. They just vote for a name. I've encountered people in person and seen on the news who don't know who Scheer is. They are just uninformed about what's going on.

[Mike K.]

Plenty of people don’t know anything about Isitt but vote for him. Come election time the name recognition aspect to the ballot takes over, and in a panic people vote for eight candidates because they think it’s the right thing to do.

The school board had a longstanding issue with people voting for a few trustees well past their best-by date but who had such strong name recognition that their antics didn’t matter. Had people known what was going on the votes would have been more calculated.

On the surface Isitt says he’s working to protect the taxpayer’s interest. And that’s a powerful statement. He’s also talking about housing affordability. Again, powerful stuff. And many people do feel that horse drawn carriages might not be suitable on our streets like they once were, and hearing the industry’s take on the matter is beyond their interest level to seek out (its a fringe issue for most, but they see the proposal from a councillor and are not personally affected by its ramifications so hey, why not support it). While those who follow politics may see more of what goes on and look at issues through several different lenses, the majority of voters do not.

[rmpeers]

But that's so typical of the dumbed-down discourse today. If you disagree with me, you are:
A bully (the mayor's go-to)
A fascist (Isitt's choice)... rinse and repeat.
It lowers the tone of the conversation, but that doesn't matter. Politically it works. Ben wins. And his anti "fascist" talk will help put him in the mayor's chair. Never mind that it's demeaning to people have actually suffered through real actual fascist regimes. It helps him win. The damage it does to our society is beside the point. Winning, no matter what the cost, is the game.

Edited by rmpeers, 18 September 2019 - 08:29 AM.

[Mike K.]

The "standing up to fascists" line is hard to oppose, right? Who doesn't want to stand up to fascists? 

 

But Isitt is taking this to the extreme. Where is the fascism in our community? How has it revealed itself? How has it impacted our society at-large? Obviously there are individuals who are sympathetic to any number of opinions/movements/political points of view in our community but that has always been the case. So why suddenly elevate fascism into a real and present danger if not to foster a political scare tactic? Suddenly fascism is rampant, we're lead to believe by an elected official, and he says he's going to do something about it. That's powerful rhetoric for individuals who are starting to believe that disagreeing with liberalism/left-wing politics and policies actually is fascism.

 

Geez Louise.

[rjag]

Classic populist politics at play. Create a boogeyman for your confirmation bias fan base so they can see you are the caped crusader working to protect them from the evils of

• Capitalism
• cars
• suvs
• big banks
• oil companies
• conservatives
• colonials
• white people
• men
• people older than you
• people with property
• people with a job
• self employed people
• self made people
• People that dont rely on the state
• people that pay their own way

etc etc

 

Although the big word on the left is “compassion,” the big agenda on the left is dependency. The more people who are dependent on government handouts, the more votes the left can depend on for an ever-expanding welfare state. - Thomas Sowell

 

[Belleprincess]

Bens most recent post on Monday regarding the closure of streets for the use of pedestrians is reflective of how he will govern when or if he’s elected as mayor. He makes multiple comments that council needs to be courageous regarding their decisions. Well, let me take a moment to decipher this: you propose ideas that your constituents don’t agree with, when you receive a significant amount of backlash, instead of listening - you cram these ideas down their throats. I’m done with this guy, he needs to find another hobby

[rmpeers]

Bens most recent post on Monday regarding the closure of streets for the use of pedestrians is reflective of how he will govern when or if he’s elected as mayor. He makes multiple comments that council needs to be courageous regarding their decisions. Well, let me take a moment to decipher this: you propose ideas that your constituents don’t agree with, when you receive a significant amount of backlash, instead of listening - you cram these ideas down their throats. I’m done with this guy, he needs to find another hobby

Again, ignoring pressing human issues to focus on grand schemes that will serve the most important goal, the glorification of Mayor Isitt, the man who had the courage to spend time focusing on imagined road closures, while all around him people are suffering drug addiction, which then creates crime and makes people feel less safe. I would not define that as courage, nor the type of leadership this city needs. We need more compassion.

[Awaiting Juno]

We need genuine compassion though, not the kind of compassion that gets done in Victoria right now.  Victoria's brand of compassion is enabling - it is facilitating a cycle of dysfunction that has only grown over the last 5/6 years.  We aren't doing things that move people from addiction and from severe mental health issues into sustainable life styles, rather we're making being a societal parasite easier.  We're doing grand virtue signalling gestures that do little to actually change the plight of those most vulnerable.  We're spending gobs and gobs of money, and at the end of it, it is difficult to say if we're moving forward in ways that the voting public would like to see.  

[Mike K.]

Helps must be in NYC now on her climate change trip.

[sebberry]

Helps must be in NYC now on her climate change trip.

 

She rode her bike there, right?

 

 

https://www.theguard...-than-predicted

 

Airlines' CO2 emissions rising up to 70% faster than predicted

Carbon dioxide emitted by commercial flights rose by 32% from 2013 to 2018, study shows

[Nparker]

She rode her bike there, right?

No, but CoV taxpayers paid for the "carbon offset" of her flights so all is good.