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[Nparker]

Why are my tax dollars being wasted by CoV staff creating such a report?

[spanky123]

Why are my tax dollars being wasted by CoV staff creating such a report?

 

Because council asked for it!

 

According to the most recent stascan census, the entire Songhees FN has a total of about 150 members of Coast Salish decent.  $200K a person isn't a bad income.

 

https://www12.statca...D=1&RESGEO_ID=1

[Nparker]

Because council asked for it!...

Meanwhile, the streets of Victoria have never been in worse shape.

[Moderation]

The 2016 census of the Songhees indicates 1840 first nations and 1245 non first nations , From your data site above.

[spanky123]

The 2016 census of the Songhees indicates 1840 first nations and 1245 non first nations , From your data site above.

 

Drill down a few rows to aboriginal ancestry. 

[sebberry]

I admit it: I get a little thrill when seeing something I wrote being referenced elsewhere – even when the writer disagrees. At least it means they read it!

But there’s no thrill in seeing those references evoked to mean the opposite of what I explicitly intended. That’s not a misinterpretation; that’s a deliberate misreading.

Yes, I’m looking at you, Lisa Helps, Mayor of Victoria.

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https://viewpointvan...y-zoning-in-bc/

[On the Level]

 

But there’s no thrill in seeing those references evoked to mean the opposite of what I explicitly intended.  That’s not a misinterpretation; that’s a deliberate misreading.

 

Yes, I’m looking at you, Lisa Helps, Mayor of Victoria.

 

 

I doubt she reads beyond looking for wokeness to feed her ideology.

 

https://viewpointvan...y-zoning-in-bc/

[Awaiting Juno]

The inability to think critically of fad ideas is astounding. The idea that SFH zoning should be thrown out is a fad idea - borne out of frustration and desperation to find some solution to our affordability and supply problem. Its lazy policy that fails to address the myriad of causes of the affordability problem. She accepts wholesale what the cycling lobby pitches - without pause to consider other lenses. Equally lazy - throwing around terms like racist and misogynist. The idea we should pay rent to FN, equally lazy - we should negotiate fair treaties and provide equal economic opportunities to FN that recognize those communities as partners in our prosperity.  

 

It's all hacks and shortcuts with the current crew at expense of the public.

[Nparker]

Soundbite politics.

[Mike K.]

Quite the uproar over this.

But it’s not just mayor helps, The House Hunt fellow also says it is racist: https://twitter.com/...0189116419?s=21

“Fact: Restrictive zoning has a history steeped in racism.
Undeniable: Today it is extremely exclusionary.

That doesn't make supporters of single family zoning racist, but you do have to ask yourself how hard you want to fight to keep such a system.”

He is viewed as a housing expert (never mind not being able to tell which way the market is going) but people look to him for sound advice. If be believes to be fact what the supposed fact-maker says is not fact, what now? What else is “fact” that isn’t fact? It is clear the individual has political ambitions and he says everything about his work is factual and data driven.

[Nparker]

Well all else fails, play the race card.

[Victoria Watcher]

If you want to play the language game, you might rightly say it's "classist", rather than racist.  

 

The same type of policies have been used elsewhere with more homogenous racial makeup at least in the 60's and 70's.  See:  UK.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 11 December 2021 - 09:36 AM.

[Nparker]

If you want to play the language game, you might rightly say it's "classist", rather than racist...

But the word "classist" doesn't trigger people the same way as racist does. It also doesn't evoke nearly enough white guilt nor demonstrate one's wokeness.

[rjag]

This is just round 2 of the failed TV experiment from the last election. They targeted renters and how hard it was to rent and all the terrible landlords and stuff....fast forward 3 years and rents are significantly higher even with all the rent controls and pro-renter laws etc.

 

So that experiment didnt work but they need to rally the angry mob some more so lets come up with a plan to call SFH owners racist. If you will note it really is the same crew doing this, as well as a few new prospective candidates that may be laying groundwork to run for council. 

 

Its divisive and its dangerous and they are fueling it. What they fail to understand or care about is this isnt racist, it had its roots originally in religion, ie the Jewish Quarters in so many cities as well as Catholic and Protestant areas of older cities. These morphed into Chinatowns etc but the real underlying reasons were economic.  Example: The East side of UK cities were usually industrial and that where you'd find the most poverty and usually the Catholic and Jewish sections. The West Side was far more WASP. The reason? Thats where the money was and the wind blew from the west to the east so the smoke and pollution would not drift over the higher end areas of the city. If you look at Glasgow, London, Birmingham etc its all the same, The West Ends of the cities were far more affluent than the Eastside.

 

Now go to India where real racism existed ie the Caste System or in China which is even relevant today but its via political classism.

 

Helps and the House Hunt guy etc are blowing smoke but they are whipping up a mob and thats dangerous

[Mike K.]

Quite a lot of our single-family-homes were built by industry, too, or settled for recreational purposes.

[Victoria Watcher]

Its divisive and its dangerous and they are fueling it. What they fail to understand or care about is this isnt racist, it had its roots originally in religion, ie the Jewish Quarters in so many cities as well as Catholic and Protestant areas of older cities. These morphed into Chinatowns etc but the real underlying reasons were economic.  Example: The East side of UK cities were usually industrial and that where you'd find the most poverty and usually the Catholic and Jewish sections. The West Side was far more WASP. The reason? Thats where the money was and the wind blew from the west to the east so the smoke and pollution would not drift over the higher end areas of the city. If you look at Glasgow, London, Birmingham etc its all the same, The West Ends of the cities were far more affluent than the Eastside.

 

Correct.

 

Now if you want to complain that the newcomers to Victoria have less wealth than the established 2nd and 3rd generation families, of course they do, that is generational wealth, that you will not see from say example, the poor white Irish immigrants to New York in the mid to late 1800's.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 11 December 2021 - 09:52 AM.

[rjag]

Heck just look at Victoria, where were all the working class homes built? Burnside and Esquimalt because thats where the jobs were. 

[Nparker]

 

...Its divisive and its dangerous and they are fueling it....

I believe this is the Together Victoria motto. It looks more elegant in Latin:

 

Demum divisionem ac periculum ab MMXVIII

[aastra]

 

just look at Victoria, where were all the working class homes built? Burnside and Esquimalt...

 

But don't forget the Blanshard-Rose neighbourhood. It was the central neighbourhood that the city government wiped out because it was all wrong (too many poor homeowners).

 

 

Daily Colonist
May 11, 1966

Green Light Expected on Renewal

Long Range Plan
If the project goes ahead, the part of Victoria with the highest concentration of welfare cases will, in an 18-month period, be in the vanguard of a long-range redevelopment program designed over future years to clean up most of the blight spots in the city.

The renewal area, on the fringe of the downtown core, is bounded by Hillside, Quadra, Kings, Blanshard, Pembroke, and Douglas.

It is... one of the older residential sections of the city and contains the largest concentration of poor housing.

Of the 127 residences in the section, 91 per cent were built before 1912. Seventy-six per cent of the homes have been classified by a social service survey as "poor," and 24 per cent as "fair" or "good."

Most households have an income of from $250 to $500 a month and are occupied by ethnic minorities who prefer the district because of the high concentration of their own people.

"I want to emphasize that we will be doing this ourselves," (City Planner) Greenhaigh told aldermen. "The only help we will get from Ottawa is in the form of cheques."

The 127 residences in the area would be acquired by the city and razed... The new plan would provide 120 living units, most of which would have three bedrooms.

Edited by aastra, 16 December 2021 - 01:43 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

But don't forget the Blanshard-Rose neighbourhood. It was the central neighbourhood that the city government wiped out because it was all wrong (too many poor homeowners).

 

They expropriated.   No different than they did more recently for Veteran's Memorial Parkway etc. 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 11 December 2021 - 10:18 AM.