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[sdwright.vic]

It is when your setting up software that is going to verify information across multiple databases behind different organizations security and ensure to the public that it is safe.

[Victoria Watcher]

all that is unnecessary.

i have not suggested a voting list should be built from scratch online.

the voting list can be kept secure at city hall. you can only get added to it or removed or changed by showing up in person.

and you also have to show up in person once every 4 years to get your new voting pin.

[Awaiting Juno]

Getting back to topic - one of the central problems facing council today is their misguided view that Victoria has a homeless problem and that solving it is best done with a housing first strategy.  Over in the addictions and mental health thread somebody posted this KOMO news story about Seattle (really Victoria is in the same position, albeit on a smaller scale).  In it Rhode Island's approach was highlighted.  We've gone down the road of housing first -- and as a result, I think we're seeing some pretty awful consequences, consequences that if unchecked will kill Victoria.  What would it take for Victoria to take an enforce and intervene approach?  Sadly, I think the best opportunity was this past election - where I think Victoria sent the message that they support the misguided path council has been on.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw&fbclid=IwAR1dfL8WWnlcTNgQRjInjobeYmo9wdNV11XMOXzdPVShpAkPQkrDD3M9DsU 

Edited by Awaiting Juno, 28 March 2019 - 11:48 AM.

[Coreyburger]

Uhh, ya. About that "Seattle is Dying" piece:

https://crosscut.com...tells-his-story

[Victoria Watcher]

Uhh, ya. About that "Seattle is Dying" piece:

https://crosscut.com...tells-his-story

 

not so sure this one guy's story is relevant.   he was flailing on the street like homeless often do.  does not really matter who/what portrayed the issue.

 

plus this guy was homeless for 6 years too.

 

but quick shoot the messenger!  that'll help the homeless.

 

The local iteration of Trump TV (aka KOMO) recently aired an hour-long News Special attempting to offer an examination of Seattle's homeless crisis that's as sober as possible. To make sure the viewer is sufficiently alarmed, it is called "Seattle Is Dying." This city—with a GDP of over $250 billion and a corporate community with a market-capital value that's over $2 trillion—is experiencing nothing less than its final days. It has one foot in the grave. The problem? KOMO believes that it's a lack of dick-hard policing. 

 

 

https://www.thestran...l-is-killing-me

 

KOMO asserts Seattle is dying with misery **rn

 

 

https://www.realchan...ing-misery-porn

 

Seattle isn’t dying, but KOMO’s program is hurting efforts to combat homelessness

 

 

https://www.thenewst...e228386679.html

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 March 2019 - 12:07 PM.

[Torrontes]

all that is unnecessary.

i have not suggested a voting list should be built from scratch online.

the voting list can be kept secure at city hall. you can only get added to it or removed or changed by showing up in person.

and you also have to show up in person once every 4 years to get your new voting pin.

 

To expect that every voter will traipse downtown to City Hall during an election year to get on the voter list is absurd. That would reduce participation greatly.

 

Firstly, voters insist that they have an easy means to get on the list. That could certainly be addressed online.

 

Second, voters don't like lining up or waiting at the polls. That could be addressed by sufficient voting machines both at advance polls and on election day.

 

Finally, although advance polls do extend over a period in advance of an election, although certainly not for 21 days, all of those ballots are held and not counted until election day.

[Victoria Watcher]

they just have to go to city hall once every 4 years. go from now until 2022 some time. that’s not onerous. if they don’t go they just go on voting day / period. 21 days. but then they can’t complain.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 March 2019 - 03:29 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

north saanich is twice the size of Victoria. has no transit to speak of. they only hold voting at city hall. they seem to manage.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 March 2019 - 03:34 PM.

[On the Level]

Uhh, ya. About that "Seattle is Dying" piece:

https://crosscut.com...tells-his-story

 

 

 

Champagne said his apartment has made him feel “pretty much stabilized. … Every day’s the same. I’m not needing of anything.” Six days a week, he takes the D line bus from near his apartment to the SoDo neighborhood, where he receives a dose of methadone for his addiction. 

 

Watch the segment again.  Do you buy this explanation for what is shown?  Seriously?

[Mike K.]

The most powerful aspect to the Seattle documentary was data, which, despite the various mayors asserting Seattle has a homelessness problem, is in reality a drug addiction and mental health problem.

It’s the same situation here. 844 Johnson is a failure in so many ways and proof how housing first is not the solution officials tell us it is. A roof over your head does not solve your addiction. Nor does it make the demons disappear.

Business owners in the documentary voiced their concerns of a revolving door justice system. Police voiced their concerns about the inability to police, and how recent changes to drug possession las allow dealers to skirt the law. Sounds eerily familiar.

But sure, Komo is Seattle’s “Trump TV” (whatever that means). It’s all just a lie, Seattle is fine.

[Victoria Watcher]

But sure, Komo is Seattle’s “Trump TV” (whatever that means). It’s all just a lie, Seattle is fine.

 

KOMO is part of the sinclair broadcast group.  as right wing as you are going to find broadcast networks. ie. not very.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 March 2019 - 06:32 AM.

[spanky123]

The most powerful aspect to the Seattle documentary was data, which, despite the various mayors asserting Seattle has a homelessness problem, is in reality a drug addiction and mental health problem.

It’s the same situation here. 844 Johnson is a failure in so many ways and proof how housing first is not the solution officials tell us it is. A roof over your head does not solve your addiction. Nor does it make the demons disappear.

Business owners in the documentary voiced their concerns of a revolving door justice system. Police voiced their concerns about the inability to police, and how recent changes to drug possession las allow dealers to skirt the law. Sounds eerily familiar.

But sure, Komo is Seattle’s “Trump TV” (whatever that means). It’s all just a lie, Seattle is fine.

 

So you offer someone a free home and food, they take it and then you call it success? Has their addition or mental health problem been solved or have you actually further enabled the problem now that they have extra money to buy more drugs and a private place to shoot up and OD? Worst yet you fund that housing and food by taking affordable rooms from the lower end of the middle class and increasing taxes such that you create more homeless.

 

Far too money people financially and politically invested in keeping this group marginalized and in a sorry state.

Edited by spanky123, 29 March 2019 - 07:49 AM.

[rjag]

So you offer someone a free home and food, they take it and then you call it success? Has their addition or mental health problem been solved or have you actually further enabled the problem now that they have extra money to buy more drugs and a private place to shoot up and OD? Worst yet you fund that housing and food by taking affordable rooms from the lower end of the middle class and increasing taxes such that you create more homeless.

 

Far to money people financially and politically invested in keeping this group marginalized and in a sorry state.

 

Yup, I've said this before, the business of poverty is alive and well. They dont want to solve it as too many careers, politicians and businesses benefit from this. What a monopoly, the taxpayers just keep paying more and more. Its like cutting the head off the Hydra. 

[sdwright.vic]

Uhh, ya. About that "Seattle is Dying" piece:
https://crosscut.com...tells-his-story

Whether this guy is currently still in the state as depicted in the documentary or not is not the question. The fact is he was the guy doing the dance on the video, and we see sever just like him on our streets every day. We see the dirt and filth left by vagrant tent cities regularly. We are affected by the cost of there clean up, their housing, their caravan to Victoria because of our Mayor's "bring it on" mentality, where all you have to do in show up and you will be used as a poster child for her campaign. Why no, you don't have to do any hard work of making yourself better! We will just take care of you and let the status be the quo.

Sorry but if you don't believe a city is dying because the washed and the housed no longer feel a part or safe in the city that is being paid for by their tax dollars, from their hard work, that those that take part in society are the ones that must make allowances for those that don't, you are mistaken.

[lanforod]

they just have to go to city hall once every 4 years. go from now until 2022 some time. that’s not onerous. if they don’t go they just go on voting day / period. 21 days. but then they can’t complain.

 

I think one of the biggest problems with Internet voting is there is no way to have an audit trail AND be fully secure. Without an audit trail (paper record), how do you know the system is working as designed? For something as important as democratic elections of our governments, there is way too much risk involved.

That said, I'm aware that there are plenty of elections currently done with an Internet option, particularly in Ontario municipalities. I feel like they don't really understand the risks, and when one of those risks provably manifests, they'll be walking back to paper ballot systems.

[sdwright.vic]

^Did you see my post above about the Banks and the Government of Canada working on a application that will ensure you are who you say you are across a range of online services?

[spanky123]

^Did you see my post above about the Banks and the Government of Canada working on a application that will ensure you are who you say you are across a range of online services?

 

To some extent they already do that with the single sign on tied to bank services. Problem though is that in my case, and I am sure others as well, I have access to 4-5 different accounts so in theory I could vote on behalf of those 4-5 people.

[Coreyburger]

KOMO is part of the sinclair broadcast group.  as right wing as you are going to find broadcast networks. ie. not very.

 

Oh yes. The Sinclair Broadcast Group. These people:

https://www.vox.com/...ws-tv-affiliate

 

Not conservative at all, nope.

[Victoria Watcher]

ya ok send us a vox article. 

 

tie game.

[Greg]

It's no secret that Sinclair Broadcast Group is a right-wing propaganda organization. I am surprised to hear anyone dispute that.