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1150 Cook Street
Uses: condo, commercial
Address: 1150 Cook Street
Municipality: Victoria
Region: Downtown Victoria
Storeys: 15
Condo units: 129 (studio/bachelor, 1BR, 2BR)
Sales status: in planning
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[Downtown] 1150 Cook Street (Pluto's Diner property) | Condos; retail | 15-storeys | Proposed


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#81 Nparker

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Posted 21 September 2020 - 07:47 PM

...Notice the convenient references to COVID. Opposition is always energized by current narratives and events, never diminished. How come they don't use COVID as justification for higher densities...

You have to appreciate the chutzpah it takes to exploit the current crisis* to justify NIMBYism. One has to wonder what other emotional weaponry the DRA has in its arsenal to fire at this proposal once the pandemic has subsided.

 

 

*Exploiting a Crisis: Not Just for Elected Officials Anymore



#82 Jackerbie

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 07:31 AM

This comment below about shadowing is confusing. Which pre-existing residential properties would be unreasonably shadowed in December?

 

The shadow plans do not show December - the worst month of all. The building as proposed will create an unreasonable shadow over the neighbours.

 

This is a residential neighbourhood and yet no where else in the city would this kind of shadowing of pre‐existing homes be considered acceptable

 

 

Fun fact, in Richmond we explicitly tell developers not to include the December shadow study because it is always 90% shadow, even when you're dealing with three storey buildings.


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#83 zoomer

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 08:07 AM

How about for every pronouncement by the Downtown and North Park resident associations VV submits a formal rebuttal/reply addressed to them, city council, and media. We have some fine writers here; after discussion/input the polished reply gets posted and we can use the polling feature to indicate how many support the message. Likely more than shows up to the neighborhood meetings.

#84 Mike K.

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 08:08 AM

A key theme in their feedback revolves around parking.

 

We just had an in-depth discussion on this very topic.


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#85 zoomer

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 08:25 AM

Our formal response could literally be a copy and paste exercise then, lol.

#86 Mike K.

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 08:32 AM

But are they wrong, though, or pragmatic?


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#87 aastra

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 08:47 AM

 

Fun fact, in Richmond we explicitly tell developers not to include the December shadow study because it is always 90% shadow, even when you're dealing with three storey buildings.

 

I think we should be careful to make a distinction between good shadows and bad shadows. Trees, houses, small buildings, wide buildings, tall buildings that you like (especially tall buildings that you live in), hills & mountains, etc. all cast good shadows.

 

But the new development that you don't like will always cast a bad shadow.


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#88 aastra

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 10:17 AM

I'm not trying to cast a shadow on this discussion. I hope nobody accuses me of throwing shade at the DRA.



#89 Nparker

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 10:24 AM

I take no umbrage at your comments.



#90 aastra

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 10:28 AM

Is that supposed to be dark humour?

 

What's happened to the wordplay on this board? We're like shadows of our former selves.



#91 aastra

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 10:31 AM

Who knows what clever puns lurk in the hearts of VV members? The mods know.



#92 aastra

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 10:32 AM

Mike K. will shadow ban me if I keep this up.



#93 Citified.ca

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Posted 24 September 2020 - 01:24 PM

There's quite the disconnect between how the DRA interprets local zoning relative to local plans, and how the City views such land matters.

 

Thank you for the heads-up, Kapten!

 

15-storey-Pluto's-Diner-condo-proposal-a-point-of-contention-for-Downtown-Residents-Association.jpg

 

15-storey Pluto's Diner condo proposal a point of contention for Downtown Residents Association

https://victoria.cit...ts-association/


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#94 aastra

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Posted 24 September 2020 - 01:53 PM

 

Immediately to the north of the development site, Toronto-based Starlight Developments is in the midst of pursuing approvals for a two-tower phase of its Harris Green mega-project that will redevelop the Harris automotive dealership at Cook Street between View and Yates streets...

 

I'm worried about how the Pluto's redevelopment will shadow the redevelopment of the car dealership property.*

 

*said nobody


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#95 PPPdev

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Posted 24 September 2020 - 02:59 PM

Alternative Headline: The world is shocked, the DRA ignores their Terms of Reference and opposes yet another downtown project!


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#96 Mike K.

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Posted 24 September 2020 - 03:15 PM

It’s a bit of a song and dance, indeed.

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#97 aastra

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Posted 26 September 2020 - 12:51 PM

 

...in Richmond we explicitly tell developers not to include the December shadow study because it is always 90% shadow, even when you're dealing with three storey buildings.

 

Check out the shadow study below from phase 1 of the Harris Green village project:

 

Shadow_Study-Harris_Green_Village-Phase_01.png

 

No wonder the DRA is so concerned about winter shadowing. This Pluto's tower has already plunged all of Harris Green into long winter shadows, and it hasn't even been built yet!


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#98 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 03:37 PM

This is going to CotW on Thursday Nov 26.  Staff recommend a few minor changes and then sending it to a public hearing.  

 

Staff report:  

https://pub-victoria...ocumentId=61107


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#99 Nparker

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 03:48 PM

...Staff recommend a few minor changes and then sending it to a public hearing...

Public: too tall, will add too much traffic; too much like Vancouver



 



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