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[vortoozo]

Less than 3% of BC's population.

 

The measures that were put in place worked to avoid wide-spread infection.

[Victoria Watcher]

“British Columbia has some of the highest levels of immunization for Dose 1 in the world – something we can be incredibly proud of – and we have the ability to push that even higher.

“If you haven’t yet had a chance to book your first dose, please take a moment to do that today. Equally important, encourage those around you to do the same. Many locations are offering extended hours and mobile clinics to make it as easy as possible for you and your loved ones to take this important step.

 

 

 

garbage news item.

 

 

https://news.gov.bc....HLTH0042-001177

 

 

bc also has one of the very lowest 2nd dose vaccination levels in the well-immunized world.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 16 June 2021 - 05:26 PM.

[Greg]

It matters in terms of vaccine acceptance. It's reasonable to assume that a location with high levels of dose 1, will end up with high levels of fully vaccinated people. (Seems reasonable to assume that people who got one dose will get the second.)  If BC ends up with 80% of the population vaccinated, and Arkansas ends up with 40% of the population vaccinated, that will result in very different outcomes over the long run. 

[Victoria Watcher]

It matters in terms of vaccine acceptance. It's reasonable to assume that a location with high levels of dose 1, will end up with high levels of fully vaccinated people. (Seems reasonable to assume that people who got one dose will get the second.)  If BC ends up with 80% of the population vaccinated, and Arkansas ends up with 40% of the population vaccinated, that will result in very different outcomes over the long run. 

 

Arkansas fully vaccinated rate is 5.5x higher than BC/Canada.

 

https://usafacts.org.../state/arkansas

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 16 June 2021 - 06:01 PM.

[LJ]

the Chinese vaccine is not working very well. how poorly? it’s not quite known because China won’t release proper data.

They are giving Pfizer until September in HK.

[Greg]

Arkansas fully vaccinated rate is 5.5x higher than BC/Canada.

 

https://usafacts.org.../state/arkansas

 

Aren't we at something like 14% fully vaccinated? 32% / 14% = 2.3

 

And I'll bet they don't cross the 50% vaccinated threshold anytime soon. We'll hit 80% in BC.

[todd]

We’re dead last with Japan and Finland for western countries fully vaccinating their populations.

I don’t like being spun into believing something that isn’t true. This isn’t the place for it.

Don’t take this away from them they need this.

[Victoria Watcher]

Quebec recorded 161 new cases of COVID-19 in the province on the third-straight day without a reported death due to the virus. 

 

https://montreal.ctv...id-19-1.5474423

[Mike K.]

Doses per 100 people is a metric that reflects overall doses provided. It's not first vs second dose. It's overall doses.
Canada has procured and delivered more doses per capita overall than the over countries you mentioned.

Yes we know that. We have a higher uptake rate, and we may not have reached or just reached peak demand that other countries reached months ago and are busy inoculating with second doses and are 2x to 4x our rate. We failed in initial distribution, and are playing catch-up now that more vaccines are available as other countries are post-peak demand (like the US, which started giving away inventory to Canada after it reached its peak). Don’t sugarcoat this.

[Victoria Watcher]

Yes we know that. We have a higher uptake rate, and we may not have reached or just reached peak demand that other countries reached months ago and are busy inoculating with second doses and are 2x to 4x our rate. We failed in initial distribution, and are playing catch-up now that more vaccines are available as other countries are post-peak demand (like the US, which started giving away inventory to Canada after it reached its peak). Don’t sugarcoat this.

2nd doses are outweighing 1st doses now by quite a margin.

[Mike K.]

There we go, we’ve reached our peak.

[Victoria Watcher]

Canada is set to receive an extra one million doses of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine from the United States on Thursday night, says Procurement Minister Anita Anand.

 

In a series of tweets on Thursday morning, Anand announced the boost to vaccine supplies from Canada’s southern neighbour and thanked U.S. President Joe Biden as well as her American counterpart, Jeffrey Zients, and Canada’s ambassador to the U.S. Kristen Hillman for their work on the agreement.

 

https://globalnews.c...ne-extra-doses/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 17 June 2021 - 07:34 AM.

[Mike K.]

Yes, big thank you for your surplus.

Whatever happened to all the millions Canadians spent on Canadian vaccine development? Did that money just come and go? What’s the output from the taxpayer’s investment into Canadian pharmaceuticals?

[Victoria Watcher]

if Canadian provinces were US states, how they would rank in recent daily infection from worst (#1) to best.

 

1. Yukon

2. Manitoba

10.  Sask

27. Alberta

29. Ontario

30. Nunavut

39. BC

44. Quebec

50. all the Atlantic provinces and NWT

[Mike K.]

Nobody has raised the issue yet so I will.

Another factor behind Canada’s high uptake is we didn’t see as many infections as other jurisdictions did. This means there are fewer sick-and-recovered Canadians per capita than there are Americans. Would you get a vaccine for a disease your body already dealt with? It’s a toss up. Eventually the covid vaccine might be headed into annual flu vaccine territory as obviously it’s mutating and will continue to do so.

[Victoria Watcher]

Nobody has raised the issue yet so I will.

Another factor behind Canada’s high uptake is we didn’t see as many infections as other jurisdictions did. This means there are fewer sick-and-recovered Canadians per capita than there are Americans. Would you get a vaccine for a disease your body already dealt with? It’s a toss up. Eventually the covid vaccine might be headed into annual flu vaccine territory as obviously it’s mutating and will continue to do so.

 

related to this is you are more likely to know someone that had it and recovered easily from it in say the USA.  so you might consider the disease less serious if you live in the USA.

[Mike K.]

You see, there are so many factors at play, that celebrating Canada’s late arrival at the party and chugging all the beer it can get reeks of politics. There is an election coming up, and the Liberal Party is trying its very best to doctor the failed vaccine rollout not as a failure but as a world-leading success story.

I hate to break it to everyone but the Americans are enjoying summer sports in their arenas right now. We still have an emergency COVID-19 shelter operating out of ours.

[Mike K.]

And the vaccine rollout has been so badly botched that we had to cancel an entire year of economic life bloods that are cruise ships. We aren’t allowing them back until next year! The Americans are now asking themselves why they even force their own companies to stop in Canada just to travel to their own territory of Alaska.

[Greg]

Yes we know that. We have a higher uptake rate, and we may not have reached or just reached peak demand that other countries reached months ago and are busy inoculating with second doses and are 2x to 4x our rate. We failed in initial distribution, and are playing catch-up now that more vaccines are available as other countries are post-peak demand (like the US, which started giving away inventory to Canada after it reached its peak). Don’t sugarcoat this.

 

We're first among G7 countries in people with at least one dose cumulatively. We're third in total doses per capita cumulatively. We're first in number of doses per capita seven day rolling average.

 

How can you claim that the other countries have slowed down exactly when we're peaking, when we've given more doses? That's just willfully illogical. You're claiming that Germany, Italy, France, and Japan have reached saturation when they're actually behind us in doses given?  

 

I don't care at all about the politics of this, and have no need to support JT. I just don't like to see data being abused. 

[vortoozo]

Yes we know that. We have a higher uptake rate, and we may not have reached or just reached peak demand that other countries reached months ago and are busy inoculating with second doses and are 2x to 4x our rate. We failed in initial distribution, and are playing catch-up now that more vaccines are available as other countries are post-peak demand (like the US, which started giving away inventory to Canada after it reached its peak). Don’t sugarcoat this.

 

Are you kidding me? France, Germany and Italy have certainly not reached "peak demand".

All three are far below Canada in first doses, and are overall below in doses per 100.

In other words, if we had vaccinated with the same interval as these countries, we would be ahead in both first and second doses, but be well below our peak as well.