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[Mike K.]

Data being abused is claiming Canada is a vaccine leader. We’re getting surplus from the US, we have a population highly motivated to get the vaccine, and it sounds like we just reached our peak.

We did a very good job at keeping infection rates low but we did not do a good job of acquiring the vaccine. Currently 13% of Canadians are fully vaccinated. That’s the bottom of the barrel.

[vortoozo]

And the vaccine rollout has been so badly botched that we had to cancel an entire year of economic life bloods that are cruise ships. We aren’t allowing them back until next year! The Americans are now asking themselves why they even force their own companies to stop in Canada just to travel to their own territory of Alaska.

 

Wait a minute - you were the one continuously expressing how the border should be closed and that the only reason that covid was circulating here was because the border was open.

Have you changed your mind?

The Americans "force their own companies to stop in Canada" because they don't want to make it too easy for the cruise companies to rely on foreign workers at lower wages. That's purely internal.

[lanforod]

Data being abused is claiming Canada is a vaccine leader. We’re getting surplus from the US, we have a population highly motivated to get the vaccine, and it sounds like we just reached our peak.

We did a very good job at keeping infection rates low but we did not do a good job of acquiring the vaccine. Currently 13% of Canadians are fully vaccinated. That’s the bottom of the barrel.

 

The way its trending though, in 3 months Canada will be at the top of the list for fully vaccinated as well. Thats the way this works.

 

3 months ago, we were complaining that we had very little vaccinations period.

Now, we are at the top for 1st vaccination.

Pretty much everyone who got that first one will get a second one, and those 2nd ones are kicking into high gear now.

[Mike K.]

The way its trending though, in 3 months Canada will be at the top of the list for fully vaccinated as well. Thats the way this works.

3 months ago, we were complaining that we had very little vaccinations period.
Now, we are at the top for 1st vaccination.
Pretty much everyone who got that first one will get a second one, and those 2nd ones are kicking into high gear now.

Like I said, we’re running the circuit but the race is over. It was the roll-out that mattered, and it was botched.

[vortoozo]

Data being abused is claiming Canada is a vaccine leader. We’re getting surplus from the US, we have a population highly motivated to get the vaccine, and it sounds like we just reached our peak.

We did a very good job at keeping infection rates low but we did not do a good job of acquiring the vaccine. Currently 13% of Canadians are fully vaccinated. That’s the bottom of the barrel.

 

You're complaining that we are reaching agreements to acquire additional vaccine? Are you saying we shouldn't be?

 

Why are you using "fully vaccinated" as the only key metric? It's not. We know that first doses are very effective at reducing hospitalization and severe illness, and we're at the top using that metric. 

The only apples to apples metric to compare to other countries using different distribution strategies is by doses per 100. That continues to show that we've received and delivered more doses per capita than any EU country, for instance.

[Mike K.]

Wait a minute - you were the one continuously expressing how the border should be closed and that the only reason that covid was circulating here was because the border was open.
Have you changed your mind?

I never said that.

I said travellers bring it here, or people travelling from here bring it back here. The biggest source for us seems to be Surrey, not Seattle.

What I’m getting at is our vaccine rollout has been so slow that Americans are restarting their cruise industry while we have another year of port closures. That’s the metric we are being judged on, not how fast we're playing vaccine catch-up.

[Greg]

Americans aren't restarting their cruise industry because of a better vaccination rollout (they can't even get to 60% of people with first doses), they're restarting it because they're less risk averse. That's an entirely different debate.

 

Also, how many Alaska cruises have skipped us so far?

Edited by Greg, 17 June 2021 - 08:49 AM.

[Mike K.]

You're complaining that we are reaching agreements to acquire additional vaccine? Are you saying we shouldn't be?

Why are you using "fully vaccinated" as the only key metric?

No. I’m not. I’m saying the patting on the back is politically motivated.

I’m referring to full vaccinations because that’s the only one that matters globally.

[Mike K.]

Americans aren't restarting their cruise industry because of a better vaccination rollout (they can't even get to 60% of people with first doses), they're restarting it because they're less risk averse. That's an entirely different debate.

Also, how many Alaska cruises have skipped us so far?

The point is they’re restarting. We have imposed a ban for another year.

[Greg]

If the goal was to get R0<1, then getting first doses in the largest number of people as quickly as possible is exactly what mattered. Probably why Canadian cases have dropped back below US cases per capita.

[Greg]

The point is they’re restarting. We have imposed a ban for another year.

 

But it is hard to see how that is linked to vaccination rates. We'll have passed the US for number of doses delivered before the first Alaska cruise sets sail.

[lanforod]

Like I said, we’re running the circuit but the race is over. It was the roll-out that mattered, and it was botched.

 

The 'race' is only over according to you. Prior to the next 'wave', Canada will be pushing 70% full vaccination rates.

 

The cruise ship decision was definitely preliminary, IMO. If Canada had been taking it month by month like they are with the international border, the US maybe would not have gotten their butt in gear to pass the allowance to bypass.

[Mike K.]

Look, folks. There’s an election coming. The Liberals are trying to make Canada look like we are #1 when we are last (nearly). Catching up over the summer from 13% today is not the same as having 45% of the population fully vaccinated today. We’re 3.5x behind the US and the UK, at full vaccination levels of places like Bulgaria.

[Mike K.]

The 'race' is only over according to you. Prior to the next 'wave', Canada will be pushing 70% full vaccination rates.

From 13% to 70% full vaccination in 60 days? How do you figure?

[Greg]

Which posts in this thread came from "The Liberals"?

[lanforod]

Facts are facts, stop trying to spin this like its Liberal propaganda.

[Mike K.]

Facts are facts, stop trying to spin this like its Liberal propaganda.

You are saying we are going to have 70% full vaccination prior to the next wave.

Where’s that fact coming from?

[lanforod]

That's not a fact. but just watch and see if my prediction comes true.

[Mike K.]

It won’t.

[Greg]

Mike, I think you're underestimating the way this has ramped up. We're dosing well over 1% of the population every day currently. That's a number the US and the UK never reached at any point.