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[Ismo07]

BC refused region-specific regulations mostly in the past.

what has changed?

that’s part of the trust problem. inconsistency and changing goalposts demonstrated by governments at all levels.

 

I don't mind if the goalposts change for the better with respect to reporting.  You would prefer they continue to report less for the sake of not changing?  It's hard to understand when something new happens and people criticize when answers or direction changes when we learn something new?  Improvement is a good thing and I'd hate for them to say "well we've been doing it like this, so we should continue so it looks like we knew everything from day one".

[Ismo07]

while that's generally true with each new wave of cases the deaths associated are lesser and lesser.  we can easily see that in the charts above.  and that law carries for every single country.  or at least every country that is vaccinating.

 

so in canada:

 

the first wave had relatively few cases, compared to the next two waves.  only 1/3 as high as the next two waves.  but deaths were very high - in fact the highest.

 

then the second wave was the highest cases but the deaths were not higher than the first wave.

 

then the third wave was nearly as high cases as the second but deaths were way down - dropped nearly 50%.

 

But the increase to new cases is still ahead of the deaths and hospitalizations.  Yes deaths are down compared to history but as cases increase so will deaths (I'm not comparing past waves, only this one), not to the same point because we know more and thankfully learn from mistakes made but the increase with respect to now is still happening, no matter how small.  Point is cases matter.

Edited by Ismo07, 29 July 2021 - 12:43 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

News 1130:

B.C. records 204 COVID-19 cases, highest in nearly two months

More than half of the new cases were recorded in the Interior Health region. This is B.C.'s highest daily case count since June 5. There are 51 people hospitalized with the illness, including 20 in the ICU. There have been no COVID-related deaths in the past 24 hours.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 July 2021 - 02:30 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

On Thursday, Alberta Health announced it has identified 233 new coronavirus cases in the province over the past 24 hours while completing 7,857 COVID-19 tests in the same time frame. Alberta’s positivity rate currently sits at 2.38 per cent.



https://globalnews.c...nfections-rise/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 July 2021 - 02:54 PM.

[max.bravo]

200+ cases? Yikes, not expected. Did DBH lift restrictions too early?

Perhaps overly optimistic about vaccine + Horgan pressuring to announce the end of covid resulted in premature end of restrictions. Reminds me of this time last summer...

[tanker]

This is an old and pointless statement already... Can't believe this is still circling. As case numbers rise, inevitably hospitalizations and deaths increase as well as does more spread and the cycle continues.

Except the fat and old who are the ones who are vulnerable are now vaccinated. You might have noticed ICU and deaths are still flat.

Edited by tanker, 29 July 2021 - 04:31 PM.

[Sparky]

^ Yes but the hoards from the mainland are flooding here bringing who knows what with them.

The numbers after the weekend will be very interesting.

[vortoozo]

^ Yes but the hoards from the mainland are flooding here bringing who knows what with them.

The numbers after the weekend will be very interesting.

 

Well, they can get a vaccine while waiting at the terminal.

 

BC Ferries | Reconnecting BC on Twitter: "#BCFHeadsUp Tomorrow, the @FraserHealth mobile vaccine bus will be at Tsawwassen terminal. No PHN or appointment needed ^ge" / Twitter

[Victoria Watcher]

^ Yes but the hoards from the mainland are flooding here bringing who knows what with them.

The numbers after the weekend will be very interesting.

news 1130:


Today's final sailings to Duke Point and Swartz Bay are completely booked. Sailings on those routes have also started to fill up for the early-morning trips on Friday. BC Ferries says the extra ferry traffic may be due to people avoiding travel to the Central Okanagan. There is an advisory for that region due to COVID-19.

[tanker]

^ Yes but the hoards from the mainland are flooding here bringing who knows what with them.

The numbers after the weekend will be very interesting.

ICU and deaths are all that has ever mattered. Cases mean nothing and ICU and deaths will continue to be flat/falling.

[vortoozo]

ICU and deaths are all that has ever mattered. Cases mean nothing and ICU and deaths will continue to be flat/falling.

 

Case numbers meant something initially, because ICU & deaths followed rather linearly. 

As we learned about the virus, how it spread, how to treat it, and how to avoid it, the case numbers became less important.

Case numbers are still important as an early warning signal. EG what's happening in Kelowna now. Increased cases allowed for regional restrictions to be implemented before things got out of hand in order to keep ICUs and deaths down.

[Victoria Watcher]

 

 

https://www.worldome...country/canada/

[Victoria Watcher]

so here is a country that has had 4 waves - with their first three being very similar-timed to ours.

 

 

[amor de cosmos]

With nearly 70 percent of eligible Canadians fully vaccinated and the country opening up, members of the anti-vaxxer/lockdown movement are increasingly finding themselves having no choice but to deal with a pro-vaccine society. So what are anti-lockdown zealots supposed to do?
 
For a start, they can create their own microsociety where “freedom-loving Canadians” can plan meetups, find dates, and buy and sell goods and services on a clunky website, a Craigslist for anti-vaxxers, if you will.
 
That’s what one activist is trying to do with Freedom Pages—a “directory for freedom-loving Canadians,” your one-stop shop for all your anti-lockdown needs. 
 
“We have dedicated this site to Freedom Lovers—people who don’t agree with the unlawful medical tyranny in Canada,” the site’s founder wrote on Telegram earlier this month. “Therefore, everything you find on our site is intended to be mask-free, vax-free, and fear-free.”
 
The activist spearheading the campaign goes by Steve Berger online and was the man who previously did his damndest to recruit people of colour into the movement. Berger and the people running Freedom Pages did not respond to requests for comment from VICE World News.

https://www.vice.com...-the-vaccinated
 

Ontario has let every other type of business open — from communal steam rooms and saunas to buffets. Some still have restrictions like mandatory masking and capacity limits.
 
Campbell said oxygen bars are "high-risk for COVID-19 transmission" and this can't be "mitigated by putting additional precautions or measures in place."
 
Typically, customers at an oxygen bar would sit, put a disposable tube up their nose and breathe oxygen for relaxation and health benefits like muscle and hangover recovery, which have been disputed. The Canadian Society of Respiratory Therapists once put out a statement saying it could not "ethically or morally support" giving oxygen therapy for those who don't need it, calling for "stringent regulations."

https://www.cbc.ca/n...nment-1.6123091
 

 

167 חולי קורונה במצב קשה - המספר הגבוה מאז אמצע אפריל

מספר החולים שמצבם קשה עלה ב-16 תוך יממה, 26 חולים מחוברים למכונות הנשמה. אתמול אובחנו בישראל 2,140 חיוביים לנגיף, ומדובר ביום הרביעי ברציפות שבו מאובחנים יותר מ-2,000 מאומתים ביום. השבוע: כמעט 23 אלף ישראלים קיבלו מנת חיסון ראשונה

167 Corona patients in critical condition - the highest number since mid-April

The number of patients in critical condition increased by 16 within a day, 26 patients connected to respirators. Yesterday, 2,140 positive viruses were diagnosed in Israel, and this is the fourth day in a row that more than 2,000 verified patients have been diagnosed per day. This week: Almost 23,000 Israelis received their first vaccine

https://www.ynet.co....ticle/sycxbxbyy
 

Myanmar is facing a catastrophic health crisis that could have ramifications not just for the country’s long-suffering people, but across the region as well.
 
The country is experiencing a major spike in COVID cases — what one Doctors Without Borders official referred to as “uncontrolled community spread” — fuelled by the military junta’s gross mismanagement of the crisis and a collapsing health sector.
 
The military regime’s official COVID statistics are running at around 6,000 cases and 300 deaths per day, but no one believes these are accurate. This is, after all, the junta that staged a military coup in February and then tried to argue it was constitutionally valid.
 
With only 2.8% of Myanmar’s 54 million people fully vaccinated, there are now concerns the country could become a “COVID superspreader state”. And this could lead to the emergence of new variants, says the UN’s special rapporteur for human rights in Myanmar.

https://theconversat...id-state-165174
 
Vietnam taps private hospitals as Delta-driven COVID-19 infections rise
https://www.channeln...vid-19-15338664

4月份以来泰国逾500家工厂发生集群感染
Cluster infections have occurred in more than 500 factories in Thailand since April
http://www.chinanews...0/9532795.shtml

泰国普吉将“封岛”14天防疫
Phuket, Thailand will "close the island" for 14 days to prevent the epidemic
http://www.chinanews...0/9532513.shtml
 
The recent coronavirus outbreak in the eastern Chinese city of Nanjing originated from a flight from Russia, said Ding Jie, deputy director of the municipal center for disease control and prevention, on Friday.
http://www.ecns.cn/n...ct3740085.shtml
 

According to data recently released by the CDC, unvaccinated people represent the vast majority of hospitalized patients due to Covid-19, which raises the question, what were these people thinking?
 
CNN’s Miguel Marquez sought to answer that question by visiting Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center in Baton Rouge where he found Aimee Matzen, who is struggling to breathe and exhausted by Covid.
 
“The fact that I am here now, I am furious with myself,” she told Marquez while struggling to breathe. “Because I was not vaccinated.” Matzen is currently in the Covid-19 intensive care unit where she is receiving oxygen treatments and hopes she stays well enough to avoid getting hooked up to a ventilator.

https://www.mediaite...ing-vaccinated/

A 39-year-old father of five from Las Vegas has died from complications of COVID-19 after sending a text to his fiancee from the hospital saying, "I should have gotten the damn vaccine."
https://www.rawstory...ncy-2654291616/
 

For several weeks earlier this summer, teen campers from across the country converged at a rural Christian camp in North Carolina for faith and fun that within weeks had turned into a superspreader nightmare.
 
The camp is billed as a “funtastic” escape, and campers’ families pay around $350 a week to send their kids onto campgrounds nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains to hike, swim, zipline, barbecue and huddle together for “a healthy portion of God’s Word,” according to descriptions on the camp’s websites.
 
But public health officials in Transylvania County told The Daily Beast that campers came home with both memories and cases of COVID-19, after tracking at least 76 cases nationwide back to The Wilds’ campgrounds.
 
Health officials say 76 cases in 17 states have been linked to The Wilds, which has served up games and Bible verses to teens during its summer sessions for more than five decades.

https://www.thedaily...-north-carolina
via https://www.rawstory...summer-camp-19/

since the real nazis actually invaded france i wonder how the french feel about this comparison

Republican school board member Bogdan Oprica used the word "Nazis" while complaining about COVID-19 directives in France at a forum with state representatives last week.
 
According to Dana Barcellos-Allen, the vice chair of the Avon Democratic Town Committee and a member of the audience at the forum, "the crowd gasped" after he said "Nazis."
 
"He talked about the restrictions in France, he said what was going on there was like the Nazis. The crowd had a visceral reaction," Barcellos-Allen added.
 
"There is absolutely no excuse for comparing the genocide, torture, and rape of millions of Jewish and other marginalized groups of people to protections put in place for public safety during a global pandemic. This type of incendiary language in reference to the Holocaust is harmful, disrespectful, and entirely inappropriate for an elected town official, particularly one who has a hand in the education of our children," Avon Democrats said in statement.
 
But local Republicans are standing by Oprica.
 
"We are extremely disappointed that the Avon Democrats recently chose to begin this campaign season by posting an inaccurate and out-of-context story attacking an elected board member in a blatant attempt to generate controversy and distract from the real issues facing our town," Avon Republicans said in a statement.

https://www.rawstory...virus-mandates/
 

Some people in Missouri are dressing in disguise and begging doctors to not publicly reveal they've received a COVID-19 vaccine, a doctor said. 
 
Priscilla Frase, Ozarks Healthcare hospitalist, said patients voiced concerns on how their family members, friends and co-workers would react if they got vaccinated. 
 
"Nobody should have to feel that pressure to get something that they want. We've got to stop ridiculing people who do or don't want to get the vaccine," Frase said in a video produced by the hospital. 

https://www.usatoday...ine/5413341001/

6 passengers on a Royal Caribbean cruise tested positive for COVID-19, a reporter on board says
https://www.business...onavirus-2021-7
 

Tri City Foods, the owner of dozens of Burger King restaurants in the Midwest, has been ordered to pay $458,931 in restitution to workers and $100,000 to the city of Chicago after the company denied employees paid sick leave during the covid-19 pandemic, according to a press release from Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot.
 
At least 2,473 Chicago workers were denied paid sick leave at 40 Burger King locations owned by Tri City, according to the city, which passed an ordinance in July 2017 that allows workers paid sick leave.
 
Strangely, paid sick leave is not guaranteed under federal law in the U.S. but is considered standard in every other wealthy country around the world. After all, who wants someone who’s sick preparing their food, even if you disregard the basic rights of employees in the equation?

https://gizmodo.com/...sick-1847391878

New Data Show That LA’s Current COVID Surge Is Once Again Hurting Restaurants and Workers
Los Angeles’s current coronavirus surge has reached the same levels as last summer when the governor closed all indoor dining and bars
https://la.eater.com...-outbreaks-news

[Victoria Watcher]

Australian soldiers are joining local police in New South Wales to enforce a coronavirus lockdown in and around Sydney as authorities try to tamp down the latest outbreak of cases linked to the more infectious delta variant.

 

Starting Monday, some 300 unarmed soldiers will begin patrols in Sydney — a city of 6 million people. They will be knocking on doors to ensure that residents are following strict stay-at-home measures, the Australian broadcaster ABC reported.

 

On Wednesday, Sydney extended a lockdown by a month — until Aug. 28 — as cases there continued to rise. Despite those measures, New South Wales, the state where Sydney is located, is reporting 170 additional cases traced to a man who caught the virus but failed to self-isolate, ABC said.

 

 

 

https://www.npr.org/...onavirus-troops

 

 

 

 

 

 

australia had 258 new cases yesterday.  and has never had more than 750 in one day.

 

in our last two peaks we were between 5,000 and 11,000 per day for about 45-50 days each.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 30 July 2021 - 09:37 AM.

[spanky123]

Notice how our "experts" have stopped talking about breakthrough infections, especially with the Delta variant? Bloomberg claims to have found at least 100K non-reported breakthrough infections.

 

Covid Breakthrough Cases: Bloomberg Identifies 100,000 Cases as Delta Rises - Bloomberg

[Ismo07]

Except the fat and old who are the ones who are vulnerable are now vaccinated. You might have noticed ICU and deaths are still flat.

 

They are not flat, not even close...  they aren't as bad as previous for sure, but rising cases mean ICU and deaths are increasing...  Not flat..

[max.bravo]

The vaccines may not be as effective as we first thought. That’s alarming.

At least they are still safe.

[Ismo07]

Notice how our "experts" have stopped talking about breakthrough infections, especially with the Delta variant? Bloomberg claims to have found at least 100K non-reported breakthrough infections.

 

Covid Breakthrough Cases: Bloomberg Identifies 100,000 Cases as Delta Rises - Bloomberg

 

I've heard about break through cases this whole time, not sure why you think they aren't talking about them...  over 100,000 isn't really a lot over 5 months when you are talking 30-60k per day.  The difference is the amount getting to the hospital which is a much lower percentage.  Think about good things rather than trying to find the dark....

[Victoria Watcher]

A doomsday new Covid variant that could kill up to one in three people is a 'realistic possibility', according to the Government's top scientists.

 

Documents published by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) today warned a future strain could be as deadly as MERS — which which has a case fatality rate of 35 per cent — could be on the way.

 

No10's expert panel It said the likelihood of the virus mutating is highest when it is most prevalent — as is currently the case in Britain.

 

And a downside of Britain's hugely successful vaccine drive, it appears the country's greater levels of immunity could help speed up the process. 

 

Scientists said Britain should bring in booster vaccine doses over the winter, minimise new variants coming from abroad and consider culling animals — including minks and even cats, which can harbour the virus — to prevent the mutant strain occurring. 

 

 

 

https://www.dailymai...ree-people.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the only part of that i agree with is killing all the cats.  after all they'd kill us if they had the means.  on the other hand i have 11 minks and i truly love them.  so soft and cudly.  

 

mink coats that is.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 30 July 2021 - 02:56 PM.