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[Awaiting Juno]

To be fair, whatever promises were made in the 2019 election went out the window due to COVID.

I think the Liberals just want to free themselves of the untenable situation of having to rely on the NDP.

 

Which is unlikely to happen as it seems they'll again be in minority territory if they get elected.

[Wayne]

Got the feeling that Rosie Barton does not like Erin Otoole.

 

She was brutal with him on CBCs Face to Face.

[Awaiting Juno]

From a policy perspective I've been encouraged by what I've seen come out of the Conservative party and think that O'Toole is likely to be far less divisive than Trudeau has been.  He might be able to walk back some of the more toxic trends (ACAB as an example), while making meaningful and pragmatic gains for Canadians who need it most.  I like the conservative housing policy, I like their Mat Leave policy of enabling women to earn $1,000 per month while on leave. I like the approach to daycare (NOTE: there are some real wrinkles to iron out there - but something less one size fits all and more attune to the variation in need is needed). 

 

Locally, I think Hannah Hodson would make a fine MP - although I do have to agree that Victoria electing a conservative is extremely unlikely unless that person was a well-liked household name. I don't particularly like Laurel Collins for her ties to Together Victoria, and while I'm sure Nikki MacDonald would be fine - I cannot stomach contributing to Trudeau's Liberals at this time for a very, very long list of reasons. Greens - their party seems a mess at this time. 

 

PPC? Nope. An anti-vaxx party should be roundly criticized. The closest any party should get is - we respect those who are exercising their religion or who have medical reasons not to be vaccinated, however, everyone who can be vaccinated should do so.

[JimV]

Got the feeling that Rosie Barton does not like Erin Otoole.

 

She was brutal with him on CBCs Face to Face.

I’m sure most people who watch CBC feel the same way.  Playing to the crowd.

[JimV]

 

 

PPC? Nope. An anti-vaxx party should be roundly criticized. The closest any party should get is - we respect those who are exercising their religion or who have medical reasons not to be vaccinated, however, everyone who can be vaccinated should do so.

There’s nothing in their platform against vaccines, although they oppose mandates and passports.

[JohnsonStBridge]

There’s nothing in their platform against vaccines, although they oppose mandates and passports.

 

Lol. An anti-vaxxer is defined as someone with opposes vaccines and laws that mandate vaccination. Sure Maxime can say he is pro-freedom or however they want to spin it but the rhetoric they are spewing is the same as what the anti-vax protestors at the hospitals last week had on their signs. 

[JimV]

Lol. An anti-vaxxer is defined as someone with opposes vaccines and laws that mandate vaccination. Sure Maxime can say he is pro-freedom or however they want to spin it but the rhetoric they are spewing is the same as what the anti-vax protestors at the hospitals last week had on their signs. 

Thank you for providing that definition.  Unfortunately it’s a rather poor one since opposing vaccines and opposing mandates are two different things.  
 

Regarding rhetoric, if the PPC is the same as the anti-vax protesters then I suppose the Green Party is the same as the violent protesters at Fairy Creek, n’est pas?

[A Girl is No one]

Lol. An anti-vaxxer is defined as someone with opposes vaccines and laws that mandate vaccination. Sure Maxime can say he is pro-freedom or however they want to spin it but the rhetoric they are spewing is the same as what the anti-vax protestors at the hospitals last week had on their signs.

I’m not sure how you equate those two.
For instance, I may be in favour of abortion being available for those who need/want it (my body my choice!) but would vehemently oppose the government dictating that people must get them.
It’s not even a fine line between the two!

Vaccines are great, and protect those who need/want it. But I totally oppose bureaucrats (who work for politicians, let’s not forget) dictating what must go in my body - even if I choose to get vaccinated. Everyone has to be able to make that decision for themselves. IMO

[lanforod]

Actualy, the difference is that if everyone had to get the vaccine, it would/could wipe out the disease. Now, I'm not saying that is the case with this particular disease and vaccines, but that is a huge part of the logic behind a mandatory vaccine, no? 

 

Look, if there were a 100% fatal disease out there, that 10% of the world is going to get (and that is obvious), plus there is a vaccine for this disease that is 50% effective at saving lives and 50% effective at reducing transmission, would you argue that it should be mandatory?

What if those numbers were 100% for all? 100% fatal (unless you're vaccinated), and everyone will get it? Then would you say it should be mandatory? The alternative is that people are choosing suicide.

[spanky123]

Dr BH threatening to place any healthcare worker (who works directly or indirectly for the Province) who does not get vaccinated by Oct 12th on unpaid leave until they do.  Says about 12% are currently not vaccinated which is about 14,000 workers.

Edited by spanky123, 13 September 2021 - 02:59 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

unpaid leave will not convince as many as dismissal would. but I guess it’s more compassionate.

[spanky123]

unpaid leave will not convince as many as dismissal would. but I guess it’s more compassionate.

 

They are afraid that if they terminate them they will never get them back. 14,000 people on leave would cripple the healthcare system. Will see who blinks first. Dr BH said there would be an exemption on religious grounds so maybe that is the out for them.

[A Girl is No one]

Actualy, the difference is that if everyone had to get the vaccine, it would/could wipe out the disease. Now, I'm not saying that is the case with this particular disease and vaccines, but that is a huge part of the logic behind a mandatory vaccine, no?

Look, if there were a 100% fatal disease out there, that 10% of the world is going to get (and that is obvious), plus there is a vaccine for this disease that is 50% effective at saving lives and 50% effective at reducing transmission, would you argue that it should be mandatory?
What if those numbers were 100% for all? 100% fatal (unless you're vaccinated), and everyone will get it? Then would you say it should be mandatory? The alternative is that people are choosing suicide.

Agreed, But it’s not the case here.
COVID is endemic. Has been for over a year. Vaccines will not eradicate it. And COVID is FAR from being fatal. The fatality risk is so low that a personal risk/benefit analysis are warranted. IMO. 😁

[Victoria Watcher]

They are afraid that if they terminate them they will never get them back. 14,000 people on leave would cripple the healthcare system. Will see who blinks first. Dr BH said there would be an exemption on religious grounds so maybe that is the out for them.

What does the union(s) say?

Some staff will welcome an unpaid break. Will they be eligible for unemployment insurance?

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 13 September 2021 - 03:18 PM.

[JimV]

What does the union(s) say?

Some staff will welcome an unpaid break. Will they be eligible for unemployment insurance?

I see the nurses’s union has come out against mandatory vaccinations.  They must be hard right PPC supporters.  Who knew.

[Mike K.]

Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that we were told unions are on board with forced vaccination of their members? What changed?

[Mike K.]

I just checked the busy-o-meter on Google for a restaurant I frequent. It’s at 25% of it’s typical capacity for 5-6PM.

[Mike K.]

Moxie’s downtown is at about 10% of its usual volume.

[A Girl is No one]

Compared to other Mondays specifically?

[Victoria Watcher]

where is ISMO, that football game must have started.