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#741 Mike K.

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Posted 05 August 2021 - 06:38 AM

That’s a bit of a broad stroke for a wide spectrum of people.

Plenty of trustees have served for many years, and have done so with a cool head and pragmatism that would otherwise be welcome at a municipal level, and with no interest in scaling the ranks. For others it’s a gateway into public life and gives them an opportunity to gauge what it’s like to be an elected representative.

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Posted 05 August 2021 - 06:45 AM

remember john young?



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Posted 05 August 2021 - 06:46 AM

Yes, but I don’t recall most of the 70 other trustees that served while he served.

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Posted 08 August 2021 - 07:14 PM

https://www.msn.com/...b?ocid=msedgdhp

 

Hear ye, hear ye: Town crier silenced as Duncan, B.C., looks for new envoy

 

DUNCAN, B.C. — A Vancouver Island city is putting out a call for a new kind of ambassador after deciding it will no longer send a town crier to greet visitors or represent the community at events.

 

Duncan's town crier position has been retired as the city re-evaluates practices and symbolism of the past, said Mayor Michelle Staples, adding the community is on a journey to find a new voice. 

 

Duncan has had a town crier since 1995, but the tradition of an official community messenger dates back to biblical times.

 

 

 

https://bc.ctvnews.c...ember-1.5537686

 

B.C. schools, some workplaces will be closed for new national holiday in September

 

VANCOUVER -- The province says most schools and some workplaces in B.C. will be closed for a day in September to mark a new national holiday meant to commemorate the history of Canada's residential school system.

 

The new statutory holiday was announced by the federal government back in June, and this week, the provincial government explained how it will be observed on the West Coast.

 

Sept. 30 will now be known as Truth and Reconciliation Day.

 

 

 

https://www.thestar....al-schools.html

 

Another Mississauga church vandalized in wake of unmarked graves found at residential schools

 

A Roman Catholic church in Mississauga has confirmed what Peel Regional Police reported as a “hate-motivated incident” did occur at its building.

 

According to police, officers attended a place of worship on the afternoon of Aug. 1 in the area of Lakeshore Road and Peter Street South in Port Credit to investigate a mischief incident.

 

They said a message was scrawled on the building’s front door in spray paint.

 

There are multiple places of worship in that area but police would not confirm which building was vandalized.

According to Neil MacCarthy of the Archdiocese of Toronto, the vandalism occurred at St. Mary Star of the Sea Church and members reported the incident to authorities.

 

According to the Ministry of Indigenous Relations and Reconciliation, it has advised employers in the provincial public sector to honour the day. Many public services will remain open, but may be on reduced hours, or have fewer staff members working.

 

 

 

https://edmonton.ctv...-rcmp-1.5539425

 

Fox Lake Community Church arson under investigation: RCMP

 

EDMONTON -- RCMP say a fire that significantly damaged the Fox Lake Community Church in northern Alberta was "deliberately set."

According to RCMP, emergency crews responded after 10 p.m. Saturday to a complaint of a fire at the church.

In a statement, Mounties said smoke was observed coming from the interior of the structure as they arrived on scene.

 

 

 

https://montreal.ctv...ndals-1.5533547

 

Kahnawake Catholic church struck by vandals

 

MONTREAL -- A Catholic church in Kahnawake was vandalized last week.

 

According to The Eastern Door, the graffiti was found on the morning of July 28. Swear words and anti-Catholic symbols were drawn onto the doors of St. Francis Xavier Mission Catholic Church in black spray paint.

 

A member of the Kahnawake Peacekeepers declined to comment when reached by CTV News but a spokesperson told The Eastern Door that there were two separate incidents where the vandalism was reported on the night of July 27.

 

 

 

https://www.insauga....-in-mississauga

 

Police searching for suspects after church vandalized in Mississauga

 

Police say they’re investigating a recent hate-motivated incident in Port Credit and are seeking assistance from the public in identifying the suspects.

 

Around 8:16 a.m. on Sunday, August 1, officers were called to a place of worship in the area of Lakeshore Road and Peter Street and found what appears to be spray paint on the doors.

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/...136109714403328

 

St Benedict Church in Wallingford area was vandalized last night with some interesting phrases and symbols.


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Posted 09 August 2021 - 02:50 AM

this is a terrible idea for a national holiday. even our most somber holiday - Remembrance Day - is not about blaming the Germans. but this holiday seems designed to cast blame.

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Posted 09 August 2021 - 09:04 AM

this is a terrible idea for a national holiday. even our most somber holiday - Remembrance Day - is not about blaming the Germans. but this holiday seems designed to cast blame.

Good or bad, cunning or idiots, we get who we vote for. And Chiefs are no different, they're politicians elected by their own people.

 

I've seen some goal posts moved by politicians this year. I have thoughts of what I believe is being done and I have little faith anything apart from "we found unmarked graves" is what we'll being hearing for some time.

 

I would love to know what their end game is. My idea of an end game is, money has been distributed to victims, there is professional help offered, now let's see who's left we can bring criminal charges against.


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Posted 09 August 2021 - 09:22 AM

^ There is nobody alive that was ever in a leadership position at a residential school when it is alleged that crimes were committed. Criminal charges are nothing more than theatre.

 

Several chiefs have stated that they want more money from Ottawa and the Church and the Globe and Mail ran an article on the weekend on what they felt the estimated net worth of real estate holdings for the Catholic Church was in Canada and what might be available to pay new settlements as an example.

 

Far beyond the value of any monetary claims paid to those who attended residential schools are the ongoing 'reconciliation' payments which are made to band businesses. The Malahat Skywalk had all of the land provided to it by the Province as an example and every FN on the Island has received and continues to receive land, monies and/or contracts for various projects. We can only hope that those numbered companies are sharing the wealth.

 

The broader end game though is to destruction of organized religion. The socialist and progressives feel that this is what feeds the right and is a threat to their plans. Breaking up the religious and family units and forcing people to isolate will prevent them from maintaining power.



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Posted 09 August 2021 - 09:30 AM

this is a terrible idea for a national holiday. even our most somber holiday - Remembrance Day - is not about blaming the Germans. but this holiday seems designed to cast blame.

 

Any bets Helps and others try to 'cancel' Thanksgiving? 


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Posted 09 August 2021 - 09:32 AM

I'm not aware of any unsolved murders although I wouldn't be surprised if there were some.

 

Beatings did happen but that would be hard to prosecute as it was legal until the 1970s to beat all BC students of all races. You would have to prove the beating was disproportionate.

 

The vast majority of deaths appear to be caused my poor nutrition, medical care and neglect.


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Posted 09 August 2021 - 08:13 PM

https://bc.ctvnews.c...ouver-1.5540818

 

Announcement coming from First Nations whose members attended St. Paul’s Indian Residential School in North Vancouver

 

VANCOUVER -- The Squamish, Musqueam and Tsleil-Waututh First Nations are set to make an announcement about a former residential school located in North Vancouver.

 

The announcement, coming Tuesday morning, is about St. Paul’s Indian Residential School, which operated from 1899 to 1958 and was run by the Catholic church.

 

 

https://www.theglobe...parations-from/

 

‘A great injustice’: Indigenous leaders call for reparations from Catholic Church for residential schools abuses

 

Indigenous leaders are calling for a re-examination of the Catholic Church’s commitments under the residential schools settlement agreement after a Globe and Mail investigation found billions of dollars in assets for the combined entities of the church in Canada.

 

The investigation used Canada Revenue Agency tax filings to determine the Catholic Church in Canada had $4.1-billion in combined net assets across 3,446 charitable Catholic organizations in 2019, and that Catholic charities had brought in $886-million in donations that year.

 

Despite its ample finances, the church has not paid all of what it committed to under the 2006 agreement; it collected just $3.7-million of what was supposed to be a $25-million national fundraising campaign, the proceeds of which were meant to be directed toward healing.

 

 

 

https://www.winnipeg...-575059942.html

 

Students or slaves? Work at residential schools under fire

 

Report finds egregious examples of 'forced labour and slavery'

 

Ten years ago, I asked my French, non-Native grandmother if she had ever heard of residential schools.

She was born in 1920, and grew up in The Pas. MacKay Indian Residential School was located about 10 kilometres northwest of the Manitoba town, operating from 1914 to 1933, when it was destroyed by fire.

 

"No," she told me, "but every year, young Indian girls would come door-to-door selling clothes and mitts they had sewn while in school. I remember because they were my age."

 

According to new findings by Manitoba-based researchers, what she witnessed was evidence of something much worse.

 

 

 

https://www.deseret....dential-schools

 

Perspective: Thousands of children died in Canadian schools. We’re just learning where they’re buried

 

The news that 215 unmarked graves were found near the site of the Kamloops Indian Residential School in western Canada did not surprise Manny Jules. A former chief of the Kamloops band, Jules attended the school in the 1950s. He told me, “It’s part of our oral history that there were children buried and burned in furnaces.”

 

The graves are only a tiny echo of the 4,000 or so indigenous children who died either from neglect or abuse in now-defunct residential schools

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The schools, which operated both in Canada and the U.S., were run mostly by Christians from the Catholic or Protestant traditions, and operated from the 19th century well into the 1970s. The aim of the institutions was largely to assimilate the Indian population, yet thousands died.

 

 

 

https://thetablet.or...-church-in-nyc/

 

Another Statue Vandalized Outside a Catholic Church in NYC

 

WINDSOR TERRACE — Another statue of the Virgin Mary was vandalized outside a Catholic Church in New York City, this time early Sunday evening in the Bronx. 

 

At about 6 p.m. Sunday, a woman was seen setting fire to the statue outside the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Mary Church, at 150th St. and Melrose Avenue.

 

The act was caught on video and broadcast by WABC Channel 7.

 

 

 

https://abc7ny.com/n...-fire/10939567/

 

Woman seen launching 'fiery object' into Virgin Mary statue

 

MELROSE, The Bronx (WABC) -- A woman was caught setting fire to a Virgin Mary statue in the Bronx.

The woman launched a fiery object into the statue outside the 'Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Mary Catholic Church' around 6 p.m. Sunday.

 

 

 

https://www.saltwire...pist-100621155/

 

Results of search at former Nova Scotia residential school do not discount survivors' memories: therapist

 

SYDNEY, N.S. — A therapist and advocate for residential school survivors in Mi’kma’ki said the results of a search of the grounds of Shubenacadie Indian Residential School do not negate the experiences shared by survivors who went there.

 

Andrea Currie is a psychotherapist who has worked with a group of more than a dozen residential school survivors in We’koqma’q First Nation for the past 18 years as they overcame their fears of telling their stories and worked toward healing together.

 

She has been speaking with survivors since Sipekne’katik First Nation chief Mike Sack announced no unmarked graves were found during a search of the site of the former Shubenacadie residential school, and she said none of them have reacted to the news.

 

 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=RgODjGa_6q8

 

“Politicians should be ashamed” for response to church burnings, vandalism

 

David Menzies speaks to Raheel Raza, chairman of the Rebel News advisory board, at a rally in Mississauga, Ontario calling for an end on attacks against Christian churches across Canada.

 

 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=oAcI2SpjPno

 

“We weren't just heathens at contact”: Tsuut’ina Nation discuss their Christian faith

 

Adam Soos was invited to Tsuut’ina Nation by Ruby Starlight, who he met recently at the Elbow River Camp to learn about their culture, traditions and history.


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Posted 11 August 2021 - 03:32 AM

Indigenous Services Minister Marc Miller said the government will spend $107 million on programs to provide essential mental health, culture and emotional services to help communities recover from intergenerational trauma.

He said the government will provide $100 million over two years to help Indigenous communities manage residential school buildings, whether those plans include demolition, rehabilitation or the construction of new facilities.


https://www.cbc.ca/n...nding-1.6136352

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Posted 05 September 2021 - 03:00 PM

I used to have recurring nightmares of this place as a child and lived very far away with no clue of such places.  The building looks like many, I remember the grand hall/main entrance and the table with the cookies we weren't to have.  It had wood paneling and very nice.  There was a buffalo stuffed inside a glass enclosure as a display in the entry and it's wound still had blood on the fur.  Then up the stairs to the room which seemed just as large but the stairwell and room was not fancy like downstairs.  I used to play with the children every time I'd have that dream.  So each time, I'd always wake to crying and screaming.  Standing far out in the field and looking back to see them wave through the flames that they couldn't leave, but helped me get out of.  When the news of Kamloops came out and I saw the school, I asked if a fire.  Apparently one small one set by a boy, so I don't understand that part of the dream or if another location.  Then I asked if it was the orchard.  Just seeing that two weeks ago, that is where the graves are.  I don't remember the river, I remember the field of dirt as I ran.  It seemed like it didn't end.  It wasn't until I was much older I became aware of such places.  Sometimes parts of my dreams do happen,not something you ever get used to.  That dream, I never understood why.  I was a child and life was not so kind and their age but very far away and the dreams were in the 70s.  I didn't live on a reservation.  I did find arrowheads in my yard.  One of those things you never forget.  Though I don't recall that dream again, other ones certainly just nothing like that.  Love and peace to all, Kamloops and the many I have learned about and haven't.  I wish such places were simply nightmares.  


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Posted 07 October 2021 - 03:05 PM

CBC sums it up pretty good in article title and subtitle.  "we don't want apologies, we want money!"

 

 

 

Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc 'not interested in apologies' after Trudeau's snub, leadership says

 

 

Community calls on government to commit to funding healing centre

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...ation-1.6203485

 

 

 

 

 

Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Nation is near the site of the former residential school in Kamloops, B.C., where about 200 possible unmarked burial sites were detected by a radar survey this spring. 

 

 

 

"possible"?


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Posted 07 October 2021 - 07:26 PM

Well it was a graveyard so it is quite possible they will find remains buried there.


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Posted 18 October 2021 - 07:39 AM

more money please:

 

 

 

 

 

Tk'emlúps te Secwépemc Nation leadership said they are "not interested" in further apologies and instead demanded real action. They released a statement stressing that Trudeau's visit should focus "on the real issues of reconciliation" and be more than just a media event.

 

Jules laid out Sunday the form she'd like some of that action to take.

 

She said although the federal government had provided some funding so far, she also hoped it would help pay for services that would assist in identifying and re-interring remains, as well as returning them to families.More money could be used to help organize and carry out surveys of land around the area already investigated, Jules said, through techniques like the ground-penetrating radar previously used. She said she had been among the many people working constantly on the effort, but "we still have a lot of work."

 

Jules said she also hoped funding would be made available for a language and cultural centre, as well as a healing centre to help deal with the impact of intergenerational trauma.

 

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...visit-1.6214412


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Posted 18 October 2021 - 08:19 AM

Like the clean water crisis on reserves across the land, It's highly likely that this will turn into a decades long affair seeking more and more money from the Feds, and refusing to actually let professionals take over at any point in order to determine exactly what did, and what did not happen.


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Posted 18 October 2021 - 08:34 AM

^ The Feds already offered something like $20M to identify remains at the site. From my understanding it was the FN that were delaying in order to consult members as to their wishes (ie leave in place or further investigate). 



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Posted 18 October 2021 - 03:01 PM

this is one of those very tricky situations that needs to be tread through very carefully... like many first nations issues when dealing with multiple different tribes not all the tribes agree on the same thing, and even within the tribes themselves not all people agree on the same plan going forward (just look at fairy creek some Pacheedaht are pro logging while others are not) .. it's a case of going forward but also trying to respect everyones choices in a culturally sensitive situation... i've heard some want the bodies exhumed where others do not...it's a tricky thing you can't have both ways



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Posted 18 October 2021 - 03:14 PM

Yes and we also have the Hereditary Chiefs that can be opposed to the Chief de jour.

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Posted 18 October 2021 - 03:56 PM

this is one of those very tricky situations that needs to be tread through very carefully... like many first nations issues when dealing with multiple different tribes not all the tribes agree on the same thing, and even within the tribes themselves not all people agree on the same plan going forward (just look at fairy creek some Pacheedaht are pro logging while others are not) .. it's a case of going forward but also trying to respect everyones choices in a culturally sensitive situation... i've heard some want the bodies exhumed where others do not...it's a tricky thing you can't have both ways

 

From a purely political viewpoint there is no benefit to exhuming any bodies only downside. As far as everyone in the world is concerned there are 215 children lying in graves at the site. 



 



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