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[Mike K.]

I’m seeing MMHI with an FSR of 1.1:1 but the listing says 2.5:1, for that site.

[Mike K.]

In any case, just under $100/foot.

So for the person buying, a 750 square foot unit would cost, just in land, about $75k. If the FSR is 1:1 then it’s a cost of $220/foot or $165,000.

[LJ]

We are not going to need all that housing in the near future, there will be a glut of housing available....

 

https://youtu.be/iO7ordKyrpQ

[Victoria Watcher]

Key points overlooked in housing discussion

I’ve read many letters to the editor lately about the housing/development situation in Victoria but a few key points have been ignored.

 

Firstly, some have disparaged developers for only being interested in making a profit and will happily throw the baby out with the bathwater over this when the profit motive has been instrumental in the invention, innovation and development of almost everything we have today so there’s nothing odious about it because, without the profit motive, we would probably still be living in caves and hunting for food.

 

Secondly, some have claimed that high house prices in Victoria are all the proof they need that all the development we see doesn’t help lower the price of housing, but I’m pretty sure that, without all the development, the cost of housing would be even higher but unfortunately many people have limited perspectives and can’t see that.

 

All the development is a big part of the reason Victoria has a very low unemployment rate as well.

 

Finally, what are we to do with the 6,000 or so people that move here every year? Just tell them to go somewhere else because they’re not welcome here? Nobody mentions that.

Until we build an impenetrable ­fortress hostile to all outsiders, people will keep moving here.

 

 

Carew Martin

Victoria

 

https://www.timescol...housing-7126357

[G-Man]

A great letter by a VV original. Has it pretty much all correct in my opinion.

[dasmo]

Simplistic and one sided.

[Mike K.]

These are very simple issues, though.

[dasmo]

No they aren’t.

[Mike K.]

Most things in life are simple, but the gatekeepers try to make them appear difficult and complex.

[dasmo]

The whole topic started under the banner of “affordable housing” that letter opens up with a Strawman arguing about profit motive for developers. Where was it mandated that developers need to work for nothing? Surely you guys can offer up your backyards to those coming here? What are you going to do turn them away?
Let’s just go full simplistic Strawman while this government erodes our basic democratic rights of self determination. In this case from a community standpoint. Where are all the communists? Oh ya, they are cheering on the luxury condos replacing affordable housing because there is more of it. Makes sense…..

[dasmo]

Supply and demand is the simplest way to look at the affordability crisis. There isn’t a developer profit crisis….

[Mike K.]

Your self-determination ends where mine begins.

Now what?

[Victoria Watcher]

Supply and demand is the simplest way to look at the affordability crisis. There isn’t a developer profit crisis….

 

 

We know of course there is demand, most of that comes from people wanting to live here and people just coming to this country in general.

 

Supply is trickier.  The constraint on supply is partially the process and fees at levels of government, land affordability (caused by the other issues noted here), and the absolute and frankly relatively new desire to not add significant infrastructure, especially where it does not already exist.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 10 June 2023 - 08:01 AM.

[dasmo]

Your self-determination ends where mine begins.

Now what?

We discuss where the boundaries are between each other with respect and come to a mutual agreement.

[dasmo]

Simple

[dasmo]

We know of course there is demand, most of that comes from people wanting to live here and people just coming to this country in general.

Supply is trickier. The constraint on supply is partially the process and fees at levels of government, land affordability, and the absolute and frankly relatively new desire to not add significant infrastructure, especially where it does not already exist.

Doubling immigration TARGETS during a crisis is juicing demand. Plus we are building A LOT. No need to start bulldozing homes while we are still living in them.

[Mike K.]

I’ll circle back to this again.

All of this contention can be solved, if we would just start doing what we’ve always done, for millennia. We’ve never forced ourselves into so many corners before, with so many self-determined experts fighting for an inch.

We have 250,000 of acres of land at our disposal in the CRD, that can’t even be seen from existing neighbourhoods, and isn’t in any watershed, and doesn’t have any untouched wilderness, that we could build on.

For comparison’s sake, East Sooke Park is around 5,500 acres.

[dasmo]

Open the boarder to all. Remove any boarder control whatsoever. But don’t mandate we need to destroy our communities.

Simple

[Mike K.]

We discuss where the boundaries are between each other with respect and come to a mutual agreement.

What’s there to discuss? Your boundary ends where mine begins.

[dasmo]

What’s there to discuss? Your boundary ends where mine begins.

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