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#1 Mike K.

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 10:00 AM

Three years after the events of the SNC-Lavalin affair, the Trudeau government is once again facing down accusations that they actively meddled in the Canadian justice system to achieve a political end.

 

With SNC-Lavalin, the charge was that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s office pressured his justice minister to unilaterally drop bribery charges against a Liberal-allied engineering firm. This time around, it’s that Trudeau’s public safety minister pressed RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki to “jeopardize” a mass-shooting investigation so that they could push a gun control package.

 

And in both cases, the allegations have come from some very reputable sources. The most inculpating details of the SNC-Lavalin affair came directly from Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould herself. With the RCMP scandal, the government’s alleged actions were outed by its own federal inquiry.

The Mass Casualty Commission – the federal inquiry into Canada’s worst-ever mass shooting – last week released a detailed report into how the RCMP managed its public communications in the wake of the April 2020 massacre that killed 22 Nova Scotians.


On page 103, the report outlines how Lucki allegedly dressed-down Nova Scotia investigators for their initial refusal to release details about the firearms used by the shooter.
 

“She had promised the Minister of Public Safety and the Prime Minister’s Office that the RCMP, (we) would release this information,” read handwritten notes by Nova Scotia RCMP Superintendent Darren Campbell after an April 28 meeting with the Commissioner.

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The news also earned condemnation from NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh, whose party is the junior partner in a de facto coalition keeping the Trudeau government in power. “The idea that this government — that any government — would use this horrific act of mass murder to gain support for their gun policy is completely unacceptable,” he said in a statement.

 

 

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The political intent was, it is alleged, to paint the weapons used in the incident as assault-style rifles available to Canadians, while the guns were actually illegally imported. The immediacy of the assault style firearm ban, therefore, was predicated upon on a mass shooting using weapons not available in Canada, making the ban a largely superfluous pursuit based on aesthetics and not the capability of the weapons, although it was sold as the opposite.


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#2 spanky123

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 10:07 AM

I think that the broader issue is how Ms. Lucki was turned into a Liberal stooge. I guess with enough instances of the PM calling your role and integrity into question can cause anyone to capitulate.


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#3 dasmo

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 10:48 AM

 

 

The political intent was largely superfluous based on aesthetics and it was sold as the opposite.

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#4 Kilo95

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 10:52 AM

I see this as another reason for the province(s) to seriously consider creating their own provincial police forces and ditching RCMP Contract Policing. Provincial police forces (OPP, Surete du Quebec) are accountable to the province as opposed to the federal government. In this case, a Nova Scotia Provincial Police wouldn't have had the "influence" (real or perceived) from the Federal Government on what they could or could not release.

 

That said, money is the ultimate factor and there's no question having the RCMP police your backyard is cheaper than your own provincial police, so the status quo will likely continue. People will moan and complain about the RCMP yet will complain equally as loud (or louder) when their taxes go up to pay for a more independent, provincial police. 


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#5 spanky123

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 11:21 AM

^ You don't think a Premier is capable of leaning on the head of a Provincial police force to make them their B*?


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#6 Kilo95

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 12:17 PM

^ You don't think a Premier is capable of leaning on the head of a Provincial police force to make them their B*?

 

No doubt, but a Premier doesn't control the Criminal Code or Federal policy. 



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Posted 23 June 2022 - 12:42 PM

It’s obvious that Brenda Lucki’s sticky fingers were deep into the gun control pie long before the NS shooting.  A week after that event the Liberals banned 1,500 long guns because the were “assault style” weapons (not, of course because they were really assault rifles, which have been illegal in Canada for many years.)  There is no way the Libs compiled that list in a week.  The only plausible candidate is the RCMP.

 

The only credible explanation is that the RCMP, pursuant to government direction, developed the list and then the government waited for a suitable moment to roll it out.  When that moment came Lucki wanted the gun identified to fortify the government’s position.  That would tend to deflect attention away from the fact that the gun was smuggled in and had nothing to do with firearms law in Canada.

 

I suspect that Trudeau and Blair will continue to float, buoyed up by their ignorant voters and a generally incurious and supine press.  But I think Lucki will find herself under all 8 wheels of the bus before long.



#8 Mike K.

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 12:47 PM

Now we have the handgun ban, which chiefs of police in Canada have said won't do much to curb criminality involving handguns.


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#9 spanky123

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 01:38 PM

^^ If BC can come up with a 1,000 page business case for the RBCM replacement in a week then the Feds can create a list of guns!

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 01:41 PM

I think anyone with internet access can create a list of 1500 long guns that 'look like' assault rifles with a week of time to work on it. Likely had a whole lot of people working on this, plus databases of information of what types of guns we have in canada (just supposedly don't have who has what for long guns anymore...).



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Posted 23 June 2022 - 02:13 PM

^I strongly doubt that.  Bureaucrats don’t work that fast and there are thousands of gun models in the world that look like an assault rifle.  Plus it had to be all complied, checked, organized into OIC format.  Much more likely that it was prepared in advance by the RCMP not by some witless staffers in the PM’s office.



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Posted 23 June 2022 - 02:17 PM

Don't forget, surface to air missiles were also part of the 1500 items on that list....  Proposed gun ban lists have been floating around for years, created by special interest groups, generally based on appearance, not function.


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Posted 23 June 2022 - 02:19 PM

Its not like they had to start from scratch. Accusing the RCMP of this with no proof... 



#14 spanky123

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 02:28 PM

^I strongly doubt that.  Bureaucrats don’t work that fast and there are thousands of gun models in the world that look like an assault rifle.  Plus it had to be all complied, checked, organized into OIC format.  Much more likely that it was prepared in advance by the RCMP not by some witless staffers in the PM’s office.

 

That is why there hire consultants!



#15 JimV

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 03:49 PM

Oh sure, they can hire consultants but why would you do that when the supposed gun experts already work for you and are happy to oblige?

 

As for proof, it’s just a logical deduction based on Superintendent Darren Campbell’s notes on his meeting with Lucki.  It was very clear that Lucki was eager to assist the government with their policy objective.

 

Just as an aside, not directly related to this, police brass are generally major league suck ups.  There are several reasons for this, though I think the main one is that they are usually political appointees.  Their career depends on their political masters.  



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Posted 23 June 2022 - 04:07 PM

In this case Lucki was appointed by JT in 2018 but equally as important she has floundered on several files and been propped up each time by the PMO. Buys a lot of loyalty from someone allegedly willing to sell out her own staff to carry favour.

#17 max.bravo

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Posted 23 June 2022 - 06:56 PM

compiling a list of guns that visually look like assault rifles for a political purpose is exactly what public servants do. Not a hard task for some policy analyst.

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Posted 24 June 2022 - 05:48 AM

From my experience with government and police bureaucracies I think it is almost a dead certainty that the list was prepared by the RCMP, at government direction, long in advance of the gun ban.  However, you are entitled to your own opinion.

 

The bigger and more immediate issue is whether Brenda Lucki interfered with a criminal investigation to help further the government agenda.  The testimony of Supt . Campbell to the Mass Casualty Commission strongly suggests this was the case.  It is worth noting that Lucki has not denied the details that Campbell presented and instead offered only a kind of oblique apology about how the meeting went.

 

Collusion between police brass and politicians is nothing new.  It almost goes with the territory.  But there is a prickly, fine line that must not be crossed.  We’ll find out more as parliamentary questions are asked, but at this point it looks like the Commissioner (not to mention Trudeau and Blair) crossed that line.



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Posted 25 June 2022 - 09:26 AM

Further interesting little tidbit revealed in the NP this morning.  The MC Commission originally received 132 pages of Campbell’s notes.  But it turns out there were 4 pages not included.  By merest of coincidence these were the 4 pages where Campbell described the meeting where Lucki tried to get information released to help the government’s gun ban.  The Commision only received the full, unredacted copy of the notes recently (apparently from an anonymous source.)

 

How curious that government omitted the section that strongly suggests totally unacceptable collusion between Lucki and Trudeau/Blair and a deliberate attempt to interfere with a criminal investigation for political purposes.

 

The Commission is demanding to know what else the government didn’t tell them.  Good luck with that.


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#20 Mike K.

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Posted 25 June 2022 - 09:55 AM

On and on it goes.

The press is afraid to stir the pot, out of fear they’ll fall out of favour with their silent business partner.

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